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  • Please close this thread, kinda turning into spam now: https://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:57466#85

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  • ValorOmega has been complaining about you in Forums. Can you please help Community Central out and get rid of this prick and give him some closure? This man is in Denial and is asking to get unblocked. 

    Link to Thread is here: https://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1513000

    End this Rampage. Please.

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    • Truthfully, I don't know what more I can do or say to that User. They're clearly doing it for the attention, nothing about their "tone" of text suggests that they're remotely serious about their position, they just want someone to pay attention to them.

      I've asked the Wiki Staff to ban him from this Wiki as ValorOmega, but he keeps coming back with alternate accounts. His most recent one was blocked after editing the Guardian Bravo article.

      I'm not even positive that his repeated harassment across multiple wiki's will actually motivate the Staff to globally block him from the entire Wiki website period.

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  • The Wiki says it's 2025, I'm sure it's 2020, soon after Raleigh is dismissed. It's said to be so in the novel, I'm not aware of any source that suggests it's in 2025.

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    • What are you talking about?

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    • You know the conference Stacker has with the UN officials? When they tell him they'll cut funding, and he's free to operate on his own, but the UN want to focus on the Coastal Wall Program.

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    • Uh, the scene wherein Stacker Pentecost is speaking with the United Nations members has a timestamp in the corner of the screen that literally says "Five Years Later, Alaska Base (Closing Day)"

      The prologue of the film with Raleigh and Yancy is seven years into the war, which from 2013 (the Trespasser attack) is 2020. Five years after 2020, is 2025. The scene and the movie itself takes place in 2025.

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    • Ah thanks, I was rewatching the scene to try find text (which I thought I saw before), but probs decided too early that there was no reference to the year before the text scrolled on screen. The problem here is, that UN talk would be after the war had ended, unless the Knifehead incident was in 2019. The earliest it could have been in 2020 is 1st of January, 5 years later (maximum) and it's the Mutavore attack. Even if Knifeheaf was 1st January 2020, that's still not making a lot of sense. The UN would be funding the PPDC for time, and there would be no need to contact Chau. Why does Raleigh say "5 years and 4 months" as well? It's easy to say bad writing, and Raeligh didn't mean that, but then the other events don't add up. Surely Knifehead had to be in 2019, because I'm seeing a lot of inconsistincies here. I've head the Knifehead 2019 argument before, but never considered the UN conference's date, which now makes things difficult to accept 2020 for Knifehead.

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  • Hi Lily,

    I've found that Trespasser is listed as a Category I Kaiju on Breach Wars. Atticon was listed as a Cat III, which makes sense considering it emerged in 2020 and the Cat system was in play at that time. For Trespasser, I have a few doubts though. I went ahead and added Atticon's Category III status on its page, but have left Trespasser for now. Stats could have been gathered for it's displacement, and I'm sure it could be categorised by 2035, especially considering it's likely some of its organic material may have been recovered. Because three nukes were needed for it, it wouldn't have been completely decimated after the first two strikes.

    I can't tell if it really is a Cat I or not. All other categories for canon Kaiju are accurate in Breach Wars, surely Trespasser's status would follow suit. On the other hand, they may have just listed it as a Cat I because they're not sure what else to do. Size isn't the only factor that determines Category, and it's certainly possible Trespasser was a Cat I. I'd like your thoughts before I make any edit to Trespasser's page. I've listed it as a Cat I on the Breach Wars page, but not on its page yet.

    Kind regards,

    Spartan.

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    • Considering how Beacham commented on Trespasser's category, directly saying they don't know and that the remains were too badly damaged to be classified, I think it's probably safe to leave it as unknown. Maybe a note in "trivia" or some such. Since I don't think Breach Wars falls under "canon", I don't really think we can take the information it gives us as solid.

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    • Yeah, Trespasser's category couldn't be determined because it emerged before the world had any proper definitions on how to gauge Kaiju signatures, there was no category system (or PPDC), and there was nothing to be gained from its remains after the fact. The fact that Beacham (and likely del Toro) left it undetermined (aside from those reasons) is pretty crucial to the justification the category system at all.

      The logic behind calling it a category I is purely because it's the first Kaiju to attack humanity, and that's about it. A lot of the arguments among fans at the time of the film's release were also founded on that.

      Similar arguments were and are still made with the other Kaiju that followed (Karloff, Hundun, Kaiceph, and Scissure) pre-category system as well. we've yet to actually see a legitimate Category I Kaiju in the series (if we ever see one).

      Atticon's category, at the very least, is reasonable, until a higher form of media contradicts it, or doubly confirms it. But Trespasser is canonically a "No Category" Kaiju and the Breach Wars information will be noted in the inconsistencies subpage for it.

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    • I guess Category Is were thought to have existed when the PPDC was first formed, so they added in the requirements for a Category I Kaiju. Chances are, no Kaiju would have ever met those requirements, they may have all exceeded them and the lowest Cat to emerge would have been a Cat II. I wouldn't be surprised if Trespasser was a Cat II, and all others that followed were also Cat IIs until the Cat IIIs started coming through. As you suggested, we may never seen one, because they may never exist (or have existed) in that size or toxicity.

      Should I leave Trespasser as a Category I on the Breach Wars page? Not sure if it should be left as is for the Breach Wars page because that's its Cat in the game, or if I should revert it to unkown cat because that's canonically accurate.

      Also, I don't have access to edit the Kaiju page, and I saw that Atticon is still listed in the "Category Unknown" section. Atticon should now be removed from that list, and put in the Cat III list.

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    • I say leave it on the Breach Wars page and slap a "non-canon" disclaimer somewhere on it. It might not be accurate, but it's what the game lists it as and as such should be included on the relevent page.

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  • Hi,

    After my second edit mentioning Valor being a Mark-6, I have been locked from that article. Valor is confirmed to be a Mark-6 in Breach Wars. Same with Murder Witch, which is still listed as Battle Witch here. Murder Witch has just been added into Breach Wars, as a new Jaeger. I want to edit the page, but I'm worried I'll just get locked out of it too. I'm trying to add a new reference (Breach Wars), but I'm still unsure of how to do that.

    EDIT: I can now add references in properly, and would like to do so with Valor Omega being a Mark-6.

    Thank you.

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  • Hi Lily,

    Edits I make to the PPDC page are being discarded. They are valid edits introducing new information from Uprising, that page is severely behind. Could you please explain why these edits aren't being kept?

    I'd also appreciate it if you could please respond to the three posts I left on your wall below this one.

    Edit: I've just seen that there's meant to be an Uprising version of the PPDC page, though it still doesn't exist. Why are there going to be two different PPDC pages?

    Many thanks.

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  • Hi Lily,

    There are some articles placed in the 'Unreleased Material' category, despite the fact they have since been released. They needs to be removed from this category, though I'm not sure how to do so. I can only add articles to categories, not remove them.

    Many thanks

    Spartan.

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    • A admin would have to be on the wiki, for starters, and a talk page appears at the top of the recent activity feed whenever it gets updated, just like an article would if you edited.

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    • Sounds good, thanks.

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  • Hi,

    I don't have access to editing this page: https://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Kaiju

    For some reason the Kaiju that Crimson Typhoon (and one that Striker joined in on) has killed are listed in the non-canon section, when I believe they should be placed in the 'Unknown Category' section instead, considering they clearly are canon and we don't know their Cat. Furthermore, I'd like to add the Breach Wars Kaiju to the non-canon section.

    Many thanks,

    Spartan.

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  • Hi Lily,

    Was great to see a list of all Jaegers and Kaiju on this page:

    https://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Pacific_Rim_Breach_Wars

    I was going to make a thread on how canon all Jaegers/Kaiju are in Breach Wars, on that page we see "Canon" lists and "Game Exclusive" lists, are all game exclusive Jaegers/Kaiju non-canon? How do we know?

    Many thanks,

    Spartan.

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    • I think it's safe to say a lot of the combative moves we see in Breach Wars or any of the other games are an exaggeration of what they can already do, things they can't do, or things they simply haven't been seen doing.

      For instance, if I'm recalling correctly, Pacific Rim: The Video Game has Gipsy Danger using both its Plasmacasters like Gundam would wield a dual beam cannon. One or more the Kaiju from the film (Pacific Rim) also use beam attacks as finishers (I think), and that's not something we've seen them do in the films (or the comics it appeared it).

      Solar Prophet's weapons and appearance in the game are in direct conflict with what was described in the novel Ascension, as is Puma Real's, so it's definitely not canon. We've never seen November Ajax do jumps and flips, but considering Uprising places emphasis on Saber Athena being unique for this exact reason, I think it's safe to say Ajax and the other Jaegers weren't built like Athena.

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    • Lily Ford wrote:
      I think it's safe to say a lot of the combative moves we see in Breach Wars or any of the other games are an exaggeration of what they can already do, things they can't do, or things they simply haven't been seen doing.

      For instance, if I'm recalling correctly, Pacific Rim: The Video Game has Gipsy Danger using both its Plasmacasters like Gundam would wield a dual beam cannon. One or more the Kaiju from the film (Pacific Rim) also use beam attacks as finishers (I think), and that's not something we've seen them do in the films (or the comics it appeared it).

      Solar Prophet's weapons and appearance in the game are in direct conflict with what was described in the novel Ascension, as is Puma Real's, so it's definitely not canon. We've never seen November Ajax do jumps and flips, but considering Uprising places emphasis on Saber Athena being unique for this exact reason, I think it's safe to say Ajax and the other Jaegers weren't built like Athena.

      Yeah, l can imagine the electric knuckles on November being canon, just like the grappling hooks in the film but without firing them. No way can I imagine November or any other Jaeger (besides Saber) performing acrobatics though.

      Do you think Gipsy can use both Plasmacasters simulataneously? And there are Kaiju that have energy-based weaponry? Could you please give me their names/references? Thanks.

      I agree that both Solar and Puma have weapons which take it a little too far, I haven't read Ascension, would you mind describing to me the appearance/weaponry of those two Jaegers? For their Wiki pages, will we add their canon (Ascension) appearance/weaponry in the description, and not show the non-canon (Breach Wars) image of them? And how exactly do we know that the Ascension novel is more canon than the game? Is there a general rule, or is it just because of how many non-canon and exaggerated features this game has, in comparison to the novel?

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