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  • What in the world made these people think it would work?!?! What was the plan if it failed, which it did! They had no desire to continue the Jaeger program for what reasons now? FUNDING?!?! When giant fucking monsters are destroying your cities, THAT'S YOUR MAJOR WORRY!?!?! FUNDING!?!? Someone, if you have more info on the script or the story if they touched on the united governments reason for this ridiculously stupid idea in the story, please tell me. I've yet to fathom what was the overall plan for this other than hope the Kaiju go "RAWR DESTRO.....oops. Seems they put up a wall here. They must not care for my company. I shall go back home then in respect of their obvious wishes. Though this indeed makes me a sad fellow. :("

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    • Ok how do we explain this?

      Umm for starters don't take this plot point too seriously, this a humongous mecha movie, a lot of it isn't meant to make sense anyway.

      At the film's current point in the timeline there were only 4 Jaegers left to fight off the Kaiju who were getting increasingly stronger and could easily beat the Jaegers. And let's not forget that almost everyone in the film saw the wall as a stupid idea and that the builders were clearly complaining about the point of building it, since it failed.

      Anyways that's all I pretty much have to say about this

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    • I agree w/ the OP. I also figured the movie wasn't supposed to all make sense, but this is one of those things that just glared at me through the screen the entire time. Are we just supposed to surmise that the govt officials are all idiots? Even without having seen it failed, what first made them think that the Kaijus who can knock down rows of buildings cannot break through a wall!? Also, at this point, Kaijus were still coming up one at a time, what is stopping them from building more jaegers and sending like 5 in at a time. I'm pretty sure they can win the fight 5v1. Also a wall that is supposed to block off the ENTIRE pacific ocean, is that honestly the "cheaper" alternative? I really enjoyed the movie, but these damn logic fails are just plain lazy writing.

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    • The PPDC were stating that they were losing Jaegers faster than they could build them. It's not easy to build a giant robot. Especially when each Kaiju is getting stronger and adapting to the Jaegers.

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    • In regard to Jaeger cost, a figure of 100 Billion is mentioned as Striker Eurekas budget, but it includes development too. To build multiples would be alot less. Still that kind of expenditure ongoing may have brought some countries close to financial ruin. This could be considered as  one of the  justifications for the walls over continuing the Jeagers, but more Canon info will be required.

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    • The one time we see the wall fail, well the Jaeger failed there too.  Vulcan Specter and Echo Saber were both there and both died to that Kaiju.  With Eureka getting one shot the very next fight, we see that nothing defensive was going to continue working at that point.

      http://i.imgur.com/HNgTc9A.png

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    • It was a dumb move and since I watch Kaiju flicks all the time, I thought it was going to take about twenty seconds. I was wrong, it took thirdy. Alll it was disigned to do was for Kaiju fans to hate the many goverments of the world for being retards slightly more than we did. Another thing is that since every goverment in the world was in on the project, it really didn't need to cost much at all. They can lower the price. These are the literal rulers of the world.

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    • A lot of people are speculating that the Wall was meant to be some kind of knock against government policies that don't work in reality when put into practice. I mean, the movie itself even points out how stupid the idea of a Wall is ("Why are we even building this [thing]?!"). It was built under the assumption that none of the Kaiju could fly for goodness sake; that in and of itself is a poor design choice and really illustrates the theme of desperation the Wall embodies.

      69.127.53.204 wrote: The one time we see the wall fail, well the Jaeger failed there too.  Vulcan Specter and Echo Saber were both there and both died to that Kaiju.  With Eureka getting one shot the very next fight, we see that nothing defensive was going to continue working at that point.

      http://i.imgur.com/HNgTc9A.png

      Doh, someone else goes to NeoGAF.

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    • 76.164.122.30 wrote:
      What in the world made these people think it would work?!?! What was the plan if it failed, which it did! They had no desire to continue the Jaeger program for what reasons now? FUNDING?!?! When giant fucking monsters are destroying your cities, THAT'S YOUR MAJOR WORRY!?!?! FUNDING!?!? Someone, if you have more info on the script or the story if they touched on the united governments reason for this ridiculously stupid idea in the story, please tell me. I've yet to fathom what was the overall plan for this other than hope the Kaiju go "RAWR DESTRO.....oops. Seems they put up a wall here. They must not care for my company. I shall go back home then in respect of their obvious wishes. Though this indeed makes me a sad fellow. :("

      Because Politicians in all fiction (and real life most of the time) seem to think their position in society means they know better. Never, ever trust a Politician to decide what's best, you get screwed over everytime for their bottom line.

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    • I can actually think of a viable answer to this. Kaiju Blue. Every time a Jaeger kills a Kaiju it's a ecological disaster on the scale of BP Deepwater Horizon.

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    • To me, they should have just built it for free. I mean, GIANT MONSTERS are set to destroy the world as we know it, and they still need FUNDING for the program? At the verge of this disaster, our world leaders should have just made the program free of funds, because it's just wrong to still get income while the world is at the brink of destruction and civilians are just dying and the government's swimming in money out of the funding for the Jaeger program. But even I know it's necesary, but in that situation, would you still need money even if you know that the world will end if we don't stop the Kaijus?

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    • they were losing jaegers fast, amd they couldn't make more quick enough. so they put in a wall, seeing as how the great wall of china worked against the mongols. it would have (possibly) worked if they had (at least for a while), if they had missle launchers or something for defense, but eventually they would adapt to the walls and kill everyone. i like the "RAWR DESTRO.....oops. Seems they put up a wall here. They must not care for my company. I shall go back home then in respect of their obvious wishes. Though this indeed makes me a sad fellow. :(" thing. that was hilarious.

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    • 78.149.87.197 wrote:

      76.164.122.30 wrote:
      What in the world made these people think it would work?!?! What was the plan if it failed, which it did! They had no desire to continue the Jaeger program for what reasons now? FUNDING?!?! When giant fucking monsters are destroying your cities, THAT'S YOUR MAJOR WORRY!?!?! FUNDING!?!? Someone, if you have more info on the script or the story if they touched on the united governments reason for this ridiculously stupid idea in the story, please tell me. I've yet to fathom what was the overall plan for this other than hope the Kaiju go "RAWR DESTRO.....oops. Seems they put up a wall here. They must not care for my company. I shall go back home then in respect of their obvious wishes. Though this indeed makes me a sad fellow. :("

      Because Politicians in all fiction (and real life most of the time) seem to think their position in society means they know better. Never, ever trust a Politician to decide what's best, you get screwed over everytime for their bottom line.

      And unfortunately, they're our presidents.

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    • They could've been trying to gain some time while they rethought their whole strategy.

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    • Youd think they would test a portion of wall using a Jaeger to see if they can bring it down. They jumped head first into a project they have no way of field-testing, because should it fail the city would be fked.


      Then again, a lot of things dont make sense. Like how Hannibal Chau survived being inside the newborn for that long with no oxygen, and was unaffected by its toxic kaiju blue blood. 

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    • Darklarik wrote: Youd think they would test a portion of wall using a Jaeger to see if they can bring it down. They jumped head first into a project they have no way of field-testing, because should it fail the city would be fked.


      Then again, a lot of things dont make sense. Like how Hannibal Chau survived being inside the newborn for that long with no oxygen, and was unaffected by its toxic kaiju blue blood. 

      Because he is Hannibal Chau. Nuff' said.

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    • Those silly politicians! They say they know what's best for us,but when the really bad stuff goes down,they seem to always get it wrong,both in fiction and reality. Why does that keep happening? I guess we'll have to wait for our Kaiju War to happen! We all know it's going to happen eventually......

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    • PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: Those silly politicians! They say they know what's best for us,but when the really bad stuff goes down,they seem to always get it wrong,both in fiction and reality. Why does that keep happening? I guess we'll have to wait for our Kaiju War to happen! We all know it's going to happen eventually......

      I have no idea what you mean near the end but this is starting to feel more like Pacific Policies more than Pacific Rim.

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    • first the wall was a stupid idea made by pepole who have no idea of whats going on i mean hello GIANT FXXXXG MONSTERS ARE ATTACKING so some idiot thinks "i know howabout a big wall" insted thay shoud have built suport units for the Jaegers or somthing but thats Policies for you.

      secont i get the wall of china reffrence but the huns dident have super strength i mean com on if kaiju can destroy bilding whats a wall gona do

      the anser nothing  

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    • I think the Wall is a symbol. It stands for the sollipcist desire to hide from the danger, as would a small kid do by closing her eyes and covering the head with arms, although it is not at all efficient. It is a self-protective reflex.

      So the Wall is there to show that the world is ready to die, it tries to encapsulate itself, somehow escape the unescapable danger or super-aggressive and super-powerful enemies. Like the Ancient Rome that fell to the hords of the Huns - fierce and merciless - Rome being too civilized to answer in kind.

      The huge robots, in contrast, are the "answer in kind" and impersonate the active (vs. passive) force, they are themselves the "Huns".

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    • I think that the creators of Pacific Rim didn't really care about this stuff and neither did I. To me, the wall thing was just comedy relief that made fun of cliches.

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    • The Wall didnt have enuff Dakka to stop a Kaiju. Seriously, if they wanted to put funding into the Wall, they could have at least put something on it to STOP the Kaiju rather than just DELAY the damn thing. 

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    • Again, it was so dumb that it to me was comedie relief. I laughed so hard seeing it crumble.

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    • Wouldnt the Kaiju keep coming through the portal on a regular basis like they did? Do they expect the wall to reflect 50 kaiju after a few years of coming through the portal and none of them dieing?

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    • I believe in one of the wall building scenes you can see cannons and turrets being hoisted up on the Alaskan wall, so at least it shows they had SOME ordinance as a countermeasure.

      Overall the wall was very stupid, but if combined with other tactics, it's at least possible to see some pros:

      1) It delays Kaiju so that Jaegers can be deployed (especially if there are fewer and fewer of them)

      2) It slows them down so that other weapons, tactical nukes, cruise missiles, bunker busters etc can be brough to bear.

      3) While it's mind-boggling the scale of materiel, it's easier to repair than a Jaeger

      4) It refocuses the theater of combat to near the wall, rather than a city.

      5) Politically, it looks like they're doing SOMETHING.

      Of course, none of this is helpful when Kaiju can fly and they come at an exponential rate, but I don't think people knew either of those two facts at the time the wall was commissioned.

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    • and few more pointers on Political Stupidity:


      1) It delays Kaiju so that Jaegers can be deployed (especially if there are fewer and fewer of them)

      • They pulled out funding to the Jaegers, so there was nothing to be deployed (silly government :P lol) 

      2) It slows them down so that other weapons, tactical nukes, cruise missiles, bunker busters etc can be brough to bear.

      • Most conventional weapons did little-to-nothing on a scale so low that it took a full sized nuke, AFTER a week of constant missle massacres and billions of bullets and etc before the FIRST ONE, which we can assume was teh smallest (due to everything after it getting bigger and bigger each time). 

      3) While it's mind-boggling the scale of materiel, it's easier to repair than a Jaeger

      • Takes longer too, plus more people tend to die actually building it (as shown with good news of "THREE GUYS DIED SO IF YOU WANT YOU CAN HAZ THEIR JOBS OK?" which was a pretty grim lol)

      4) It refocuses the theater of combat to near the wall, rather than a city.

      • What combat? ._. Here be Hunters *points at mecha graveyard* However, this may be the only good point. It will help people to escape (or at least find there cameras and come running back)

      5) Politically, it looks like they're doing SOMETHING.

      • Proof that the whole "Get shit done" people are teh ones we follow in the event of an Apocalypse. 


      So, to summerise, the Wall was a disaster... if they wanted it to work better, they should have made it out of giant TV screens so that they confuse the Kaiju into thinking that there was nothing but ocean till the horizon. maybe.

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    • Sure, the idea of a wal is stupid, but it's only stupid when it is a coastal wall designed to prevent the Kaiju from landing. 

      A better question to ask is why build a coastal wall instead of, you know, a Fortress at the Rift? You know where it is, the Kaiju only come once every other months. Everytime they come, it should be a well celebrated event given how much fertilized and bone powder they bring. Hell, they can build a stadium there and have payper view match every now and then. 

      Other question being why do they even let the Kaiju reach the coast instead of intercept it and why do people still live near the sea anyway!?

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    • If the movie was meant to make sense they would have built multiple high mobility platforms with stand-off capability to carry Gipsy's plasma weaponry and Striker's anti-Kaiju missiles, kind of like a mass-produced Super X. Or surrounded the breach with nuclear mines to at least get a damaging first shot in. But how much fun would that be? 

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    • iradiating that much water with a nuke isn't exactly healthy for the world. The one in the movie wasn't a great idea but can be accepted. But setting off a bunch of nuke mines each time would be worse on the environment than the kaiju, who's environmental effects wouldn't be neutralised either. Finally, the masters would send in tiny useless critters to set em all off after it worked on the first kaiju.

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    • On the topic of the wall. The politicians, distanced from the situation have limited understanding of the kaiju, both in formidability and drive. They believe the myth that they're mindless animals, especially when PPDC don't really know much better till endgame. So they find it easy to fool themselves into believing that Kaiju wouldn't know well enough to get through or even care what was on the other side. Assuming out of sight out of mind would work. Foolish, but easy from an office and news reports.

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    • I doubt they thought it would actually work. I just think it began as a way for politicians to look like they are doing something in the face of crisis, in spite of how ineffective it is, sort of like financial reform or gun control (heh). Over time, it became an end in and of itself.

      But one can think of all sorts of better projects, like inland batteries of ballistic missiles and artillery. I am pretty sure a 900-1000mm gun (that is one meter or 39 inches) would kill Kaiju. Indeed, in the old Kaiju movies, there are always rail or truck-mounted superweapons that the Japanese government is throwing at Godzilla and his ilk.

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    • If  nothing else works, just go for sheer armour-peircing kinetic death gun. 


      In Halo, the MAC cannons work on something like pushing the round to near light speeds, increasing its mass and energy etc, leaving one huge-as kinetic energy round of death, which is a solid metal round big enough to take out a Spire :) 

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    • Kaiju Blue, if wepans are going 2 be used, they have to create a clean cut that ALSO vaperizes most of the Kiaju blue so it doesnt spread, remember, Kaiju Blue is Toxic and Lethal when inhaled touched etc etc. So every time they blast a Kaiju with a Nuke, Kaiju Blue gos everywhere. And the Problem of a MAC canon, is that the Kaiju are dead...ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE!!! KAIJU BLUE!!!!!!

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    • Hunt or be hunted. Keeping the Jaegers is the way to go.

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    • The Great Wall and the Hinderburg and Maginot lines totally worked, right? They were built because nobody sat down to think "hey, how many ways can a line fail?" Answer: just walk till it ends an cross right there. It worked for mongols, allies and germans.

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    • Question: Just what happened to Hawaii, and all the other islands in the Pacific Ocean? Did they build their own Walls surrounding them, and depend entirely on air travel to stay connected to the rest of the world? (Would suck to be a non-industrialized island, if that's the case.)

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    • 74.108.69.204 wrote:
      Also, at this point, Kaijus were still coming up one at a time, what is stopping them from building more jaegers and sending like 5 in at a time. I'm pretty sure they can win the fight 5v1. Also a wall that is supposed to block off the ENTIRE pacific ocean, is that honestly the "cheaper" alternative?

      I really enjoyed the movie, but these damn logic fails are just plain lazy writing.

      Pentecost did mention that it took 14 months to build a Mk1 Jaeger. Plus at that time a Jaeger costs around 100 billion (it was Striker Eureka's). The team up strategy also didn't work as shown in "Vulcan Specter and Echo Saber VS Mutavore"; Vulcan Specter and Echo Saber were both Mk3 Jaegers, roughly as strong as Gypsy when it took on Knifehead. Ignoring the fact that there we're only 3 remaining Jaegers at the time (Gypsy's restoration was underground after all), the Kaijus got stronger after every fight as every information they gleaned after every fight was pooled and used in the next fight. Soon enough fighting a Kaiju with Jaeger would seem like using a knife in a gunfight. The wall would be a bulletproof vest, the one wearing it would hope the the enemy doesn't go for the head. The wall was probably more of a political move to show the people that the Government was, in fact, still doing something.

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    • the main reason that vulcan specter and echo saber failed to stop  mutavore and died as a result of it is that protecting the wall would have been more of a priority than killing the kaiju trying to break in. then again the wall was a waste of time considering they built a wall to keep out giant killer creatures only to realise some of them can fly. bet that senator guy or whoever felt like a right idiot after that.

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    • a jaeger v a kaiju might have become the equivelent to bringing a knife to a gunfight but the wall v a kaiju is the equivelent of bringing a pencil to a gunfight. 

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    • why not have a pan atlantic attack corps since countries on the atlantic coast won't be funding the ppdc as much as the countries on the pacific rim. they would be next if the kaiju got their way. they could have used redesigned aircraft carriers to transport the jaegers.

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    • ^darn good idea. Where was teh rest of the world when this happened? just lazily sitting about and watching TV to see what woudl happen?!?!!? They should have been getting their own assualt Jaegers built!

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    • You could write whole books about this sort of scenario.

      I think it's basically down to - they've seen repeated episodes of Jaegers failing and being destroyed, followed by massive loss of life and property when Kaiju then go on to destroy cities and have to be nuked.

      I think the Wall is meant to stop the Kaiju in place, but not to protect cities. There's a line about how people are being relocated inland (those who can afford it), and basically how the world governments are surrendering the coastlines to the Kaiju - presumably not to let them rampage around, but so that they can be nuked safely and away from relocated popuations. But obviously this will result in massive damage to the Earth and will not solve the long-term problem of Kaiju continuing to emerge.

      The comic and the novel both point out that this is the politicians are basically surrendering half the world to the Kaiju. The novel and movie show that the Kaiju are the first of of the invasion wave - pushing humans back from the coast, concentrating us into refuges, so that the real "exterminators" can come and finish us off for good. It's implied that these are much larger than the Kaiju.

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    • Tequila0341 wrote:
      The comic and the novel both point out that this is the politicians are basically surrendering half the world to the Kaiju. The novel and movie show that the Kaiju are the first of of the invasion wave - pushing humans back from the coast, concentrating us into refuges, so that the real "exterminators" can come and finish us off for good. It's implied that these are much larger than the Kaiju.


      In that case... Sequel :D

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    • 119.224.25.186 wrote:
      Tequila0341 wrote:
      The comic and the novel both point out that this is the politicians are basically surrendering half the world to the Kaiju. The novel and movie show that the Kaiju are the first of of the invasion wave - pushing humans back from the coast, concentrating us into refuges, so that the real "exterminators" can come and finish us off for good. It's implied that these are much larger than the Kaiju.

      In that case... Sequel :D


      So,if that could open up the way for a sequel,could it also open up the possiblity of a Godzilla cross-over? I'd love to see if it could be pulled off! However,I won't put all my money where my mouth is at the moment,just to be safe.

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    • A prequel would be better IMHO. There's so much on the Kaiju war we missed... the movie skipped to the end basically. I'd love to see the birth of the Jaegers, the first Kaiju attacks, the nukes, the international jaegers in action etc.

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    • 201.239.115.209 wrote:
      A prequel would be better IMHO. There's so much on the Kaiju war we missed... the movie skipped to the end basically. I'd love to see the birth of the Jaegers, the first Kaiju attacks, the nukes, the international jaegers in action etc.


      Definately, prequel would be nice

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    • DenzJay wrote:
      To me, they should have just built it for free. I mean, GIANT MONSTERS are set to destroy the world as we know it, and they still need FUNDING for the program? At the verge of this disaster, our world leaders should have just made the program free of funds, because it's just wrong to still get income while the world is at the brink of destruction and civilians are just dying and the government's swimming in money out of the funding for the Jaeger program. But even I know it's necesary, but in that situation, would you still need money even if you know that the world will end if we don't stop the Kaijus?

      Economics doesn't work that way.

      Money on it's own has no worth. It has worth because society has agreed to use it as a barter item that can be traded for anything (so if you have a cow and want to trade it for a horse, and the other guy has a horse but wants a bushel of carrots, you aren't screwed; you can sell the cow for money, buy the horse with the money, and the other guy can use the money to buy his carrots).

      Even with all the world's governments at work, you can't make something "free" as long as human labor is required to produce it, simply because humans need things. Even if you forced people to work on the Jaegers as slaves (where they officially don't recieve payment), those people will still need food, water, and shelter. The Jaegers themselves need metal, and silicon, and plastics, and power, and a thousand other things. There are millions of people involved to get one going, and they all need to eat, too. And that's without getting into all the support staff or logistics.

      The practical equivalent of what you're suggesting is rationing, but even that just clamps down on the costs a bit; it doesn't remove them entirely. Furthermore, getting the entire world to agree to rationing given the political landscape during the movie (where it is implied nations have gone back to their petty conflicts) would be very difficult. It would also require acknowledgement of the severity of the situation, which is one thing the world desperately seems to want to avoid (even if doing so isn't wise).

      And all of that stuff the Jaegers need that I mentioned earlier? It all relies on very complicated webs of industries, companies, and people that are all interconnected. They rely primarily on commercial activity to function. Rationing by its very nature means limiting commercial activity in an effort to funnel more resources towards war. Do it enough (or incorrectly) and it will severely harm the economy, which will then harm the supply of the labor, skills, and material that the rationing was intended to maximize in the first place.

      And what about the people whose occupations can't be used to directly feed the war effort? Do you shut them down? If not, then you haven't actually changed much (especially in service economies, which happen to include some of the world's biggest economic players). If you do, then what happens to them? There may or may not be a way they can contribute. Do you just let them rot? Good luck pushing that through. And even if you succeed, less people consuming goods inevitably means less competition, which then leads to inefficiency.

      And this is without getting into any of the political minefields or social upheaval that such actions would evoke.

      The other (much simpler) option is to simply leave the economic infrastructure in place and raise revenue by traditional channels cranked up to eleven (that is, taxes and debt accumulation). Of course, these cause economic problems as well (taxes that are too high result in less consumer spending, which leads to less economic activity, which paradoxically leads to less tax revenue; too much debt requires one to choose between raising taxes by even greater amounts down the road or letting the debt go unpaid, which makes debtors unwilling to finance more debt). But it's much simpler than reorganizing one's entire economic system and doesn't involve displacing untold numbers of people. The simpler the change, the easier it is to get it done.

      By the way, I recall Raleigh making an off-hand remark when he reaches Hong Kong about not having seen bread in a while. Given that bread is one of the most basic staple foods in North America and that Raleigh was working on the wall (and governments would no doubt try their hardest to make sure the wall workers were fed, given that they had pinned their hopes on it), it seems likely that one way or another, the world economy had already been pushed to its limits.

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    • Yep, there's more. Sorry.

      134.102.131.179 wrote:
      I think the Wall is a symbol.

      <and more wonderful insights that Reaper doesn't have room for because his posts are too long as it is>


      There are many reasons, but this is perhaps the most insightful one.

      All of that said, if you're looking for a more practical reason, there were several (however incorrect they proved to be). The Jaeger program came into being because the world's desperation caused everyone to put aside their petty squabbles for the sake of survival. And for a while it worked. However, this meant the return of mankind's complacency, which led to the return of all the problems that had existed before the Kaiju. So when the Kaiju began evolving and destroying Jaegers faster than they could be built, mankind did not unite as they did before. The nations of the world had never been comfortable with the price tag on Jaegers, and were even less inclined to foot the bill when it was no longer clear that the Jaegers could work. They believed it was unsustainable, and technically they were right (the movie made a big deal out of the fact that the Jaegers were becoming more powerful and attacks more frequent; no amount of Jaegers would be able to save the world from 6 simultaneous category 5's that are replaced every 2 hours).

      The problem was that their alternative was even less sustainable. The logic of the anti-kaiju wall was actually fairly simple: build walls that the Kaiju can't break down (or that will at least slow them down long enough for conventional weapons to weaken them). Assuming that Kaiju can't make it through the wall alive, don't continue getting stronger, and their attacks don't keep getting more frequent, things would work out, and the wall would act as a permanent solution.

      Of course, all three of these assumptions proved false. The walls couldn't stop the Kaiju or defend the populace. The politicians were wrong (as they often are, especially in movies). But what choice did they have? In their minds, the Jaegers had already proven to be a failure (after all, there were more broken Jaegers than breached walls), so putting money back into it makes no more sense than continuing to build walls ("maybe that was a fluke; and even if it wasn't, it's not like we really have any other choice given that we already know Jaegers don't work"). Of course, given that they are politicians, they also make sure to try to help the rich and powerful (a class they are inevitably part of) escape the carnage.

      Yet another factor worth considering (as others have mentioned) is that the wall gives people hope. Some politicians may well have known the wall would fail, but continued building it anyway simply to calm the populace. If there's one thing worse than a home under attack, it's a home under attack with the occupants panicking.

      Was the wall a good idea to replace the Jaegers? Absolutely not. But the politicians either didn't know that, didn't care, or didn't feel that they had any other choice. Just because we know better doesn't mean they did.

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    • ^

      ...ok... you must have really thought that through. Very good points, almost all of them. (dont want to say all incase i missread one of them :/ accidentally)

      So even the risk of extinction isnt enough to get people to hurry up and build more Jaegers for the sake of life?

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    • Warning: Another essay ahead.

      Yes, and no.

      A common theme in fiction (for good reason; it mimics life) is for humans in large numbers to be very inefficient. Corruption, petty squabbling, honest mistakes from overworked clerks keeping track of it all; all of these things and more inhibit a group's ability to respond to external threats. On a global scale, it justs gets worse, because you have not just the clash of egos and interests, but of culture and ideology as well (not to mention that the more people, the bigger the problems).

      When the Jaeger program was begun, it was a unique case, where mankind saw no other option yet still had hope for a solution if they would just work together.

      But, as people tend to do, the world went back to its old ways after the Kaiju problem started to subside. We saw them get used to it in the movie's opening. People in fluffy Kaiju costumes were on television. Jaeger pilots gave interviews on talk shows. Battles between Jaegers and Kaiju were depicted as sporting events.

      But then things changed. The Jaegars and spirit of cooperation that everyone had put their faith in seemed to be failing. So instead of sticking together, they pursued isolation (which not coincidentally, led to the creation of walls; the ultimate symbol of isolation).

      Some people did indeed not care about the fact that the apocalypse was upon them. Others did care, but believed that the Jaegers weren't the answer, and so threw their support behind the wall in the erroneous belief that it was the better option. Some people knew what was at stake, but thought it couldn't be stopped, and therefore believed that the only thing they could do was try to keep the panic down for the short time humanity had left. Others believed that the Kaiju couldn't be stopped, but that the situation could be managed ("let them have the shorelines, we'll just retreat inland; they won't follow us there"). Still others probably believed that there might be a third option, and wanted to save their resources for that (or put their resources towards finding it). There were also those people who profited from the Kaiju (and would therefore have no desire for a permanent solution). And let's not forget those people who thought the Kaiju were the Gods expressing their displeasure at mankind's path.

      Is it really so hard to imagine that in such a situation, with all the factors and ideas I just described, humanity would have a hard time rising to the task of defending themselves, even if they wanted to?

      We see the same thing in zombie movies (and it's the main reason why the zombies tend to win). The group of panicked survivors don't know what to do. Everyone has their own egos, desires, ideologies, emotional baggage, interests, and ideas on what to do to continue surviving. Naturally, there are conflicts all over the place (and sometimes even outright betrayal). Meanwhile, right outside the barricades, the zombie horde claws at the obstacles in their way and shamble around. Even though they all behave the same way, they aren't identical. Some are black, some are white. Some are women, some are men. Some are tall, some are short, and some are missing body parts. But they are all on the same page. They all want the same thing, and they agree to work together for the greater good brains. They know that if they find a way through the barricades, the survivors will start putting holes in whichever zombies are first. And yet, they don't care. They keep searching. Even if half of them fall, the other half will make it to the prize. And if enough of them wander around long enough, they will find a way through the barricades.

      Which brings us to the PPDC.

      They are the people who refused to give up that hope, that faith in the power of cooperation. When the rest of the world decided that the word "team" should be spelled with an "I", they knew better. They brought together people from all over the world, and every one of them had the same goal: save the world. It wasn't about egos (with the notable exception of Chuck Hansen, and it's no coincidence that he is initially depicted as a jerk; when he finally does come around, it is a major piece of character development that is essential to the story despite having ultimately no practical effect). It was about saving mankind from both the monsters at its door, and humanity's own dysfunction.

      All of the major characters and pilots come from different countries (the USA, Australia, Russia, China, Germany, the UK, and Japan). Each of them brings with them the culture and history of their nation. And yet, despite all the obvious differences, they still come together to solve a mutual problem, without any of those differences ever becoming an issue.

      Even the Jaegers themselves represent this spirit of cooperation despite differences. Each one is clearly influenced by it's country of origin. Cherno Alpha is brutal and cold (a more Russian-looking robot you could not find). Crimson Typhoon is designed to evoke the honor and martial arts discipline of the Far East (and it's also red, in case you didn't notice). Striker Eureka is sleek, clean, new, and strong (representing an aesthetic that is beautiful, young, deceptively powerful, and simultaneously both European and not; just like Australia itself). Finally, we have the Gipsy Danger. Everything from the name and decals that harken back to WW2 fighter planes, to the big guns, to the down-to-earth "no style, just substance" street fighting, to the subtle confidence in the way it walks, to the very nuclear heart engine that puts power above all other considerations, everything about the Gipsy Danger is meant to evoke the American ideal of cool.

      And yet, despite them all being so different, the Jaegers fight together for the same cause. It is only when they don't life up to this ideal that they begin losing.

      When Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon go to battle without the aid of Striker Eureka or Gipsy Danger, the Kaiju defeat them by virtue of superior cooperation. When Striker Eureka finally joins the battle, it is itself defeated because it fought alone against two Kaiju (one of whom had a weapon specifically designed to take down digital Jaegers). Had Striker Eureka had another Jaeger on his side (one that, say, had it's own set of skills that included being analog), that battle would have gone very differently. And it is only when the two Kaiju separate that Gipsy Danger appears to save the day. And it does so on the coattails of Raleigh and Mako's cooperation (while exploiting the Kaiju's sudden lack thereof).

      Fast forward to the final battle. Despite the odds being much worse (two category 4 Kaiju and a category 5 against only Gipsy Danger and Striker Eureka) and a disadvantageous tactical situation, the Jaegers were able to prevail (if only just). Why? Because they brought their individual skills together to fight for everyone.

      None of this is coincidence. It's symbolism.

      Ultimately, however, it is the drift system itself that most perfectly represents the spirit of cooperation that inhabits this movie (and not coincidentally, makes it a huge hit overseas, but not so much in the more isolationist USA). The drift system represents in the most pure sense imaginable the idea of individual human beings putting aside their differences to achieve something greater than either could hope to do on their own. Together, Raleigh and his brother fought circles around Knifehead. Alone, Raleigh struggled to mount even the most basic of defenses. When Raleigh and Mako allowed their individual problems and psychological baggage to get between them, it nearly destroyed the shatterdome. But by coming together and facing their problems together, they were able to overcome them, despite neither of them having been able to do so alone in all the years they tried. Herc Hansen disconnected from the drift equipment for but a second, and that second broke his arm. Finally, Stacker Pentecost was able to successfully drift with Chuck Hensen without any testing or practice, simply because he brings no ego or personal problems with him into the drift (while Chuck had no problems because he and his father came to an understanding, allowing him to break down any barriers he might have had to doing what needed to be done). As the movie goes on, all of the major characters become more dedicated to cooperation, and it makes them stronger.

      It is these exceptional individuals who hold out hope that by working together, mankind can beat the unbeatable, and in so doing save itself from both the monsters without, and the monsters within.

      And that is why, where all other plans to deal with the Kaiju fail, our heroes succeed.

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    • humanity is good at killing itself over selfish reasons, also its easier for politicians to hide then it is for them to fight

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    • Reaper do you have a website or something where you write all your thoughts down? As surprising as it is, I find reading all your posts very interesting/entertaining/whatever-I-like-reading-it. 

      And dont forget that all politicians are stoopid igjits :)

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    • No, I do not, but thank you for your interest.

      Now stop encouraging me, before I start accidentally writing novel-length posts.

      (Hah! New record! Only twenty-seven words!)

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    • u know, it hit san fran first so it likely ingested balco and roided up before going to oaktown and sacramento (somehow ignoring san jose and bypassing dozens of localities in between)

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    • the point of the wall for the movie, if this hasn't been said before, was a stndard politician BS plan that was guaranteed to fail, and cause chaos among the populace

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    • hmmm.... *wonders if Reaper has a debating site he often goes to*

      Well, I suppose the only thing left to ask is...

      What would happen if Trespasser encountered the Wall? We know it would fail, obviously, but how long would it take? A Cat-IV (I think) with roughly the same stats managed to take it out in an hour (not even sure why it took that long)

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    • Well, Mutavore (the one who attacked the wall) also had to fight two Jaeger on the way.

      That said, however, Mutavore is...odd, to say the least. His stats are well below what would be expected of a category 4 (in fact, they're lower than the stats for Onibaba, a category 2). Nevertheless, we know that Mutavore is no pushover, because he tore one of the Jaegers in half and beat the other one into scrap (and one of the two was a Mark 3). I've long suspected that the stats don't make nearly as much difference as one might be led to believe (Cherno Alpha had the most armor of any Jaeger, but you wouldn't know that watching Leatherback and Otachi tear into it almost as easily as any other Jaeger), and Mutavore may be a strong piece of evidence for that case. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on one's viewpoint), he was only on screen for about 10 seconds, so there's much we don't know about him. It's possible he makes up for poor stats through absurdly high toxicity, high intellect, or some special ability that we never saw (there is precedent in the form of Gipsy Danger, who despite a relatively poor statline proves just as effective as the other Jaegers by virtue of having more weapons than would be considered reasonable or sane). But that's empty speculation. All we really know is that Mutavore is a category 4, and much more dangerous than his statline lets on.

      As for Trespasser and how he would compare, I would like to direct you to a big thread we have on him over here: http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:6783. Near the end we start speculating on what his category might be. I warn you, however, that the discussion before that runs quite long. Personally, I came to the conclusion that because of how weird Trespasser becomes when you try to classify him, he should be given his own category, and it should be category XD.

      In any case, the real answer to the question of how long it would take Trespasser (or any Kaiju, for that matter) to break through the wall is "however long the plot requires".

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    • One can never have enough Dakka (or weapons for that matter),

      your argument is invalid

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    • That only applies if you have the Waaaaaugh!

      And that is one reference no one will get.

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    • imagine that... a Waaaaaugh! of Jaegers VS a Waaaaaugh! of Kaiju

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      • !WAAAGH!!!*
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    • A possible line of reasoning could be that the wall would only have to actually stop a kaiju as a last resort. If they were working from the (since disproven) assumption that the kaiju are just animals attacking at random, the walls would sheild the city, ie. perceived prey, from detection by the kaiju. And since the kaiju wouldn't know what was behind them, and the walls themselves are inanimate, the kaiju would have no motivation to attack them, same as animals only attack barriers when they know what's on the other side.

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    • cause that worked so well in jurrasic park, caged animals even without human level (insert jokes here) intelligence have a habit of trying to escape from said cage and since the wall is not or presumably is not transoceanic that would only direct the kaiju to redirect to the other oceans

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    • As we've been pointing out over and over again, none of us have ever claimed the wall was a good idea; only that the politicians wanted to build it.

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    • You cannot have a good defense without a good offense.  Why not attach big guns with anti-kaiju missles? Anyways, I was just thinking though if events from the novel happened in the movie both sides arguing for the jeagers or the kaiju wall would have some points. Echo Saber and Vulcan Specter were smashed by Mutavore (showing the kaiju were capable of destroying Jeagers) before she smashed the wall (showing the wall idea is complete crap). Either way, Stacker Pentecost is right that we had to take the fight to them instead of hide. Now that I think about it, those three guys who died building the wall to keep out the kaiju died in vain. :/

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    • Funding would definitely not be the reason considering a huge wall stretching from Alaska to South America and surrounding Japan and stretching along China's and Russia's coastline and around Australia and Indonesia would definitely cost more than robots that are as tall as skyscrapers and have nuclear reactors in them. Also, I feel as if the Jaeger program also doesn't make sense because large missiles can kill the kaiju so they should have just had a shitton of missiles set to fire at large cities along the pacific coast. This whole movie wasn't really made to have logistics taken into account while thinking about it and I loved it.

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    • wonder if they got roger waters to do the dedication ceremony, assuming he was still alive at that point

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    • Honestly, why dont they just put a wall around the breach. If they know where the kaiju are coming from, then they can stop them as they come out. A wall around the breach would be far smaller, so it could be made with stronger materials. Also, the plasma cannons on the gipsy danger are clearly pretty effective anti-Kaiju weapons, plus they stop the spread of kaiju blue. If you mounted those on the wall around the breach, then you could gun down kaiju as they came out, and contain the kaiju blue, all in one move.

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    • 76.104.133.51 wrote:
      Honestly, why dont they just put a wall around the breach. If they know where the kaiju are coming from, then they can stop them as they come out. A wall around the breach would be far smaller, so it could be made with stronger materials. Also, the plasma cannons on the gipsy danger are clearly pretty effective anti-Kaiju weapons, plus they stop the spread of kaiju blue. If you mounted those on the wall around the breach, then you could gun down kaiju as they came out, and contain the kaiju blue, all in one move.


      Well,the Breach is several thousand feet underneath the ocean,and that in itself makes it hard to build things down there. Second,since it's where Kaijus enter our world,it'll never be safe because construction of defenses or fortifications around it could never be completed. Third,if defenses like what you said were installed,the issue of energy management is on order,whereby submersibles containing more "fuel" for these defenses would have to be brought down periodically,and it's not something that can be sustained for a long time/

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    • The jaeger numbers were dwindling.  Striker Eureka, as a unique MkV, might have been retired while Echo Saber and Vulcan Specter could be repaired with older mass-produced parts, or parts cannibalized from fallen jaegers.  Once they were gone, that left only four active jaegers in one base.  Pentecost's plan to bomb the Breach also would have failed without 11th-hour intelligence.

      That is to say that, in the politicians' defense, the jaeger program had already failed.  A wall that doesn't work isn't any worse than a giant robot that doesn't work, and it might buy time for a real, long-term solution.  It's also obviously creating a ton of much-needed jobs to bolster their failing economies.

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    • part of the reason the program failed was due to the politicians removing funding from the program

      another part were the tactics employed by rangers that cost them their jaegers

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    • 76.104.133.51 wrote:
      Honestly, why dont they just put a wall around the breach. If they know where the kaiju are coming from, then they can stop them as they come out. A wall around the breach would be far smaller, so it could be made with stronger materials. Also, the plasma cannons on the gipsy danger are clearly pretty effective anti-Kaiju weapons, plus they stop the spread of kaiju blue. If you mounted those on the wall around the breach, then you could gun down kaiju as they came out, and contain the kaiju blue, all in one move.


      I would like to point you to one of my posts on this thread

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    • And I would like to point out an anti-dramatic solution of GIGANTIC KAIJU SIZED TORPEDO MISSILE PLATFORMS which we all hate because with them there'd be no robots :'(

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    • weve stated many problems with that, mostly involving a fast moving target at close range and likely underwater

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    • ... torpedoes were designed for underwater use... plus the anti-kaiju missiles the striker had, they had really good tracking.

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    • how do u know how good they are at tracking? the only time we saw them used was at close range against a stunned kaiju

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    • well, when Mutavore hit the ground, you could clearly see missiles following him down. Plus it stands to reason that if your going to be firing missiles that are designed specifically to BRUTALLY MURDER GIANT MONSTERS, you do NOT want them to miss and go flying off into some civillian building or densely populated area.

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    • u need to read reapers posts better...

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    • We all need to read reaper's posts better.

      Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      well, when Mutavore hit the ground, you could clearly see missiles following him down. Plus it stands to reason that if your going to be firing missiles that are designed specifically to BRUTALLY MURDER GIANT MONSTERS, you do NOT want them to miss and go flying off into some civillian building or densely populated area.

      Mutavore didn't fall until after being hit by all the missiles, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that they were tracking him.

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    • Just a thought, maybe the missile's targetting system is target seeking. Like Striker's heat brass knuckles leaves some sort of tracer on the Kaiju before launching his Kaiju Death Bombs.

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    • 125.237.56.61 wrote:

      "So, to summerise, the Wall was a disaster... if they wanted it to work better, they should have made it out of giant TV screens so that they confuse the Kaiju into thinking that there was nothing but ocean till the horizon. maybe."


      That's hilarious, I'm just picturing some poor monster standing in Sydney Harbour looking around all confused and bewildered. They said it would be right here. They said make a left at the Reef, I made the left. Did I pass it?


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    • 119.224.25.186 wrote:
      If  nothing else works, just go for sheer armour-peircing kinetic death gun. 


      In Halo, the MAC cannons work on something like pushing the round to near light speeds, increasing its mass and energy etc, leaving one huge-as kinetic energy round of death, which is a solid metal round big enough to take out a Spire :) 


      No they just accelerate them, nothign says they accelerate them to light speed, talking a round the size of a space shuttle, even the the books halo never had a gun that accelerated a round to light speed, the faster moving round they had was only 4% the speed of lightk, but I do get what you are saying a couple of MAC cannons firing rounds eventually something will fall.

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    • It is impossible for anything made of matter to travel at the speed of light. It would literally require an infinite amount of energy.

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    • what about NEAR though? I gotta recheck the Halo Wiki...

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    • Well, that's just a matter of how much energy you can generate.

      However, keep in mind the time dilation effects if you want to use this for anything other than weaponry.

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    • Halo says the round is sent at 4% speed of light :)

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      how do u know how good they are at tracking? the only time we saw them used was at close range against a stunned kaiju


      Even if the Jaeger missiles are really bad at tracking, you'd probably be able to put something better together fairly quickly. I mean: a) it's less expensive than a GIANT FREAKING WALL and b) Um...how hard is it to miss a skyscraping monster?!

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    • Remember that news clip with the Kaiju walking past a building? There was a flaming building in the distance and the peopel seemed surprised so I'd say... yeah, it's pretty easy to miss a skyscraping monster XD

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    • Either that or TELEPORTING KAIJU

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    • They probably hope that they'd run into a more polite type of Kaiju ^^


      (Kaiju approaches wall, knocks on it twice)

      (knock, knock) "Er... anybody home??? Nobody??? Alright, fine, I'll just move to the next city . . . "


      XD

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    • Yes I was puzzled by the idea of the coastal wall. If you study some military history you'll find out that big fixed emplacements haven't worked since the late 1800's. In WWI the Germans rolled right over the Maginot Line. In WWII the German emplacements along the Normandy beaches failed to stop the invasion on D-Day. The reason we don't build big fixed military emplacements anymore is because they don't work. So how the politicians thought the coastal wall would work is beyond me. What you need is more Jaegers. You need line after line of Jaegers so that if a Kaiju gets past one line of Jaegers there's another line about two miles back. The Jaegers should be different types so that if a Kaiju takes out one Jaeger maybe it can't take out the next because it has different construction, armor, and weapons.

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    • We can make a city fly to avoid a Kaiju attack

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    • No the Kaiju have wings too.

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    • Nah, we can terraform Mars, let the Precursors take over Earth, and everyone will be Happy

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    • I'm happy to live in Germany, far away from the Pacific

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    • Remember how the Rift was closed at the end of the movie? The Precursors next step will be to open a new Rift in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and then send Kaijus straight to Hamburg.

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    • And the Kaiju and Precursors will buy Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW, and Maybach

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    • First; Precursor maybe open another breach in Indian Ocean because its more closer to the Pacific. Second: If Precursor open a breach in the Atlantic, they must be know that USA own Jaegers, and Another Europe Countries can built Jaegers too, but in the Indian Ocean most of the Countries doesn't have Jaegers and Probably Can't built it

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    • A good point but don't forget a Rift in the South Atlantic would be far away from U.S.A. and Europe - Africa and South America would be easy targets.

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    • if Precursor open two breach: 1 in Atlantic 1 in Indian Ocean. And immediately send-in a Cat V. We're doomed

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    • Ah but by then we'll have anti-gravity platforms on station at 10,000 feet over the Indian and Atlantic oceans and when Kaiju are detected coming through the Rifts we'll deploy Jaegers to intercept. Twelve Jaegers per Kaiju deployed in three lines one behind the other four Jaegers in each line.

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      That only applies if you have the Waaaaaugh!

      And that is one reference no one will get.


      Gestalt psychic field generated by Greenskins. From Warhammer 40k.

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    • I'm support Anti Kaiju Wall

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    • It's a crazy idea that won't work! More Jaegers with better weapons. Go big or go extinct.

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    • Go Wall or Go Out. We can put Striker's missile on the Wall

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    • Missiles won't work. The Kaiju will stay underwater until they're close to the Wall and they'll spring out and start climbing the Wall or spread their wings and fly over it like Otachi. No time to fire missiles. Purely defensive weaponry won't work. The old rule of warfare is "take the battle to the enemy." So we HAVE to go after THEM.

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    • Ok I support Nuke

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    • No! The nuclear pollution would eventually make the Earth uninhabitable. Jaegers with cauterizing weapons is the only way to go.

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    • Turn moon into Death Star and shoot the laser at Kaiju

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    • Ha! That might actually work. But I was thinking of a Battlestar instead. As in Galactica. I saw the original TV show back in the 70's.

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    • Oh but the President's already said in response to that petition that the federal government isn't going to fund construction of a Deathstar.

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    • We needed a new weapon... Not as Expensive like Jaeger, Not complicated like DeathStar, Not weak like the Wall

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    • I SAY WE TAKE OFF, AND SEND A NUKE THROUGH THE PORTAL FROM ORBIT.

      IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE

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    • We needed a space missile launcher and stuff like that. TO FIGHT MONSTERS WE CREATED MONSTERS so TO FIGHT KAIJUS WE CREATED KAIJUS

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    • Mechanical* Kaiju. Also Kaiju is the plural of Kaiju, so Kaijus isnt right

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    • I know, we gathered some lizard, nuke them, and hope that they'll turn big like gozilla

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    • I'd support that plan. Now lemme just place this gecko on your forehead...

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    • See, I can survive 5 Thermonuclear strike

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      I SAY WE TAKE OFF, AND SEND A NUKE THROUGH THE PORTAL FROM ORBIT.

      IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE


      Yes Captain. I'm plotting the quantum torpedo trajectory now.

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    • Okay so I was talking to some people when one of em' brought up this thing (I'm not sure what it was from but it had to do with Pacific Rim) about how the Kaiju reproduce. It talked about why Otachi was sent into combat before giving birth and It talked about how two could go through the breach and start breeding. So someone says "Whoa! Back the f*ck up! Doe's that mean Leatherback and Otachi GOT IT ON before fighting the Jaegers?"

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    • There's already threads for that particular discussion ;)

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    • 69.127.53.204 wrote:
      The one time we see the wall fail, well the Jaeger failed there too.  Vulcan Specter and Echo Saber were both there and both died to that Kaiju.  With Eureka getting one shot the very next fight, we see that nothing defensive was going to continue working at that point.

      http://i.imgur.com/HNgTc9A.png


      Actually, Travis Beacham has said that Mutavore, the Kaiju that broke through Sydney's wall in less than an hour, did NOT actually destroy Vulcan Specter and Echo Saber.

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    • 202.49.20.90 wrote:
      There's already threads for that particular discussion ;)


      ... where???

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    • Read this document:

      http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Memo:_United_Nations_to_Sunset_Jaeger_Program


      Which explains a lot.

      "No kaiju has attacked a currently standing Wall."

      "Citizens of Pacific coastal cities will be receiving further information as new housing is constructed farther inland, prioritized according to progress on the Wall."


      In short, they believed Kaiju wouldn't even try to attack walls, at least not in a determined fashion, in addition to the walls being strong enough to keep them out, plus they were moving people away for additional safety/to not attract Kaiju, and chose this course because the Jaeger problem (1) costs so much, and (2) is now losing Jaegers fast, meaning it'd cost an ever increasing amount to keep a steady number.

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    • Ok but this must be one of those movie-things. I thought that the Precursors wanted to take over the Earth and get rid of all humans to make the Earth a place for the Precursors to live. That would mean going around or over or Kaiju-Blue-acid-dissolving-through a wall and attacking humans. "Completion of Undersea Barriers in the South Pacific." So they plan to build undersea barriers. Where exactly? Barriers under water off the coast or barriers around or on top of the Rift? It may be that the reason the Kaiju never attacked a wall was that the walls did not occupy much of the lenght of the coast so that it was easy to just find another target. However, this doesn't make much sense if the Precursors want to take over the entire planet for themselves. I'm assuming that the Precursors view humanity as a threat to their desire to dominate the Earth. This means that to insure their dominance is unchallenged they must wipe out all humans. Maybe the Precursors are afraid of Furians (see Chronicles of Riddick). At any rate; if the Precursors want to dominate the Earth then they must eliminate the human opposition. So go over the wall. The walls are a temporary solution. Moreover, when the "undersea barrier" is being built; won't the Kaiju attack that? Who's going to protect the construction process from attacking Kaiju? Jaegers? Nuclear warhead equipped submarines? I understand the point of the memo is that the Jaegers are so expensive to build that it's bankrupting the countries that are building them. This is where scientific research comes in to find cheaper ways of making things. Problem with that idea is that scientific research is usually a slow process, and the Kaiju are attacking now. I think one of the underlying messages of the movie is that we should do a better job of educating people and put more money into scientific research so that we don't get caught behind the eight-ball when a new and scientifically more advanced enemy appears on the horizon.

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    • Keep in mind they don't *know* about the Precursors or their plans until well into the movie.


      As far as they know, the Kaiju are like animals. They follow the scene of pollution to cities in search of prey. And animals when in search of prey, when confronted with a wall... go around it, or maybe paw it a little, then leave to look elsewhere, wandering around. They don't do concentrated attacks on walls. Keep in mind that some barriers were built *years* before, I think there was one mention of a 6 year old strength, and in that time they've *never* been attacked, or at least not seriously enough to get through. Go through years of Kaiju not attacking walls... and you start to think they'll work as a long term solution, because the ones thinking so have no idea of the true objectives or that Kaiju going after walls is just a matter of time.

      Hyperion Gold wrote:
       I understand the point of the memo is that the Jaegers are so expensive to build that it's bankrupting the countries that are building them. This is where scientific research comes in to find cheaper ways of making things. Problem with that idea is that scientific research is usually a slow process, and the Kaiju are attacking now. I think one of the underlying messages of the movie is that we should do a better job of educating people and put more money into scientific research so that we don't get caught behind the eight-ball when a new and scientifically more advanced enemy appears on the horizon.



      There's also raw material cost for something that big- Jaegers will *never* be particularly cheap, no matter how advanced you get, and especially not with the need to improve them to deal with the increasing size and ability of the Kaiju.

      Science is important in the movie, but only some parts of the Jaeger can be made cheaper. A 260 foot robot will always cost a huge amount in high-strength materials, though.

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    • This of course raises the question: Why didn't the Kaiju attack or climb over or go around the walls? Is it nothing more than that the Kaiju look for cities, and when they saw a wall they didn't see a city so they just went elsewhere? That would suggest that the walls don't need to be thick and strong - just high enough and offer enough concealment that the Kaiju can't see the city behind it? But of course if the aim of the Precursors is to take over the planet then the Kaiju must attack the human population centers so the Kaiju will have to be directed somehow to go over or around walls and attack cities. Yes the memo says no Kaiju ever attacked a city behind a wall or even attacked the wall. But it's always important to ask why? The main problem that I have with the wall is that it's easy to circumvent. Just go over it or around it or use Kaiju Blue to melt a hole in it. Remember that Otachi had wings. Otachi could easily fly over a wall, see the city behind it, and attack. I agree that Kaiju attacking walls is just a matter of time. The Precursors are modifying the Kaiju to give them different abilities to increase the chances that they'll defeat Jaegers. If the aim of the Precursors is to take over the planet then they have no choice but to modify Kaiju to fly over or go around walls and attack human cities because humans would never willingly submit to being ruled by the Precursors.

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    • Maybe Mutavore was actually the first Kaiju* to ever bother seeing the wall...

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    • Hahaha! I love it! Yes I know you meant Mutavore was the first KAIJU to bother seeing the wall. But I like the idea that the early Kaijus were so stupid or sensory-processing deficient that when they approached a wall they had no idea what on earth it was so they just went somewhere else. Could it possibly be that simple? Of course if the Precursors want to defeat humanity they're going to have to do a better job of designing their Kaijus. So let's see: Kaiju is programmed to attack people. Kaiju walks up to wall. Sniff sniff. No people here. Go someplace else. And people are right on the other side of the wall. Fabulous.

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    • Whoops, was thinking about the Jaegers when I posted that XD

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    • Hyperion Gold wrote:
      This of course raises the question: Why didn't the Kaiju attack or climb over or go around the walls? Is it nothing more than that the Kaiju look for cities, and when they saw a wall they didn't see a city so they just went elsewhere? That would suggest that the walls don't need to be thick and strong - just high enough and offer enough concealment that the Kaiju can't see the city behind it?


      You do want it tough enough that a kaiju testing it won't just walk through. Enough to take a few hits at the least, and they wanted it to be actually *hard*.

      For climbing over, they were smooth and tall, so most Kaiju couldn't. For going around, well, they likely did for a time.


      But of course if the aim of the Precursors is to take over the planet then the Kaiju must attack the human population centers so the Kaiju will have to be directed somehow to go over or around walls and attack cities. Yes the memo says no Kaiju ever attacked a city behind a wall or even attacked the wall. But it's always important to ask why? The main problem that I have with the wall is that it's easy to circumvent. Just go over it or around it or use Kaiju Blue to melt a hole in it. Remember that Otachi had wings. Otachi could easily fly over a wall, see the city behind it, and attack. I agree that Kaiju attacking walls is just a matter of time. The Precursors are modifying the Kaiju to give them different abilities to increase the chances that they'll defeat Jaegers. If the aim of the Precursors is to take over the planet then they have no choice but to modify Kaiju to fly over or go around walls and attack human cities because humans would never willingly submit to being ruled by the Precursors.


      The two things to remember are, one, the Jaeger program was *running out*. It was taking heavy losses, even if they started building again it seemed like a sure thing that they'd be overwhelmed. It was no longer a viable strategy to use Jaeger just for defense, and not knoiwng the Breach could be collapsed, they needed something else.

      And two, we knew *squat* about the Precursors, and as yet had *zero* intel indicating the Kaiju being intelligent. If we knew it was a smart foe, the only walls would be like the early ones, designed to buy time for Jaegers and nothing more.

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    • Hyperion Gold wrote:
      Hahaha! I love it! Yes I know you meant Mutavore was the first KAIJU to bother seeing the wall. But I like the idea that the early Kaijus were so stupid or sensory-processing deficient that when they approached a wall they had no idea what on earth it was so they just went somewhere else. Could it possibly be that simple? Of course if the Precursors want to defeat humanity they're going to have to do a better job of designing their Kaijus. So let's see: Kaiju is programmed to attack people. Kaiju walks up to wall. Sniff sniff. No people here. Go someplace else. And people are right on the other side of the wall. Fabulous.



      In most places, there would be no people near the wall (Sydney's wall was built after a kaiju attack, and before the general wall-everything plan. Most sections of wall would have empty coastline on the other side).

      Evacuations to 100 miles away from the coast was also a part of the plan, so they weren't counting on sensory deficiency.

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    • Hyperion Gold wrote:
      This of course raises the question: Why didn't the Kaiju attack or climb over or go around the walls? Is it nothing more than that the Kaiju look for cities, and when they saw a wall they didn't see a city so they just went elsewhere? That would suggest that the walls don't need to be thick and strong - just high enough and offer enough concealment that the Kaiju can't see the city behind it? But of course if the aim of the Precursors is to take over the planet then the Kaiju must attack the human population centers so the Kaiju will have to be directed somehow to go over or around walls and attack cities. Yes the memo says no Kaiju ever attacked a city behind a wall or even attacked the wall. But it's always important to ask why? The main problem that I have with the wall is that it's easy to circumvent. Just go over it or around it or use Kaiju Blue to melt a hole in it. Remember that Otachi had wings. Otachi could easily fly over a wall, see the city behind it, and attack. I agree that Kaiju attacking walls is just a matter of time. The Precursors are modifying the Kaiju to give them different abilities to increase the chances that they'll defeat Jaegers. If the aim of the Precursors is to take over the planet then they have no choice but to modify Kaiju to fly over or go around walls and attack human cities because humans would never willingly submit to being ruled by the Precursors.


      Kaiju didn't attack the walls because the walls didn't matter. Remember, the Kaiju were intended to explore and weaken mankind's defenses. By the time people started building them, it was very clear to the Precursors that the Jaegers were the only real threat (and it wouldn't be difficult for the Precursors to realize that walls couldn't stop Kaiju). So, the Kaiju ignored the walls in favor of targeting Jaegers (or targets that would attract Jaegers, which has the same result).

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    • Aside from that one incident where Newt was Drifting with the brain (and therefore letting them Drift with him), how did the Kaiju know where to go to attack the Jaegers?


      OH SHIT! I just realised that they might be Hiveminded with the SKINMITES!!! 

      If Hannibal was shipping those things alive throughout the Pacific, as soon as a skinmite somehow detected a Jaeger, a Shatterdome, or whatever, the Precursors would know where to attack!!!

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      Aside from that one incident where Newt was Drifting with the brain (and therefore letting them Drift with him), how did the Kaiju know where to go to attack the Jaegers?


      When Newt Drifted with the brain the Precusors saw into his mind and found out where the Shatterdomes were and the Jaegers and so the Precursors knew where the enemy was and they attacked the Jaegers in the classic take-the-battle-to-the enemy strategic move. "Aside from that one incident...." That one incident was the worst strategic error made in the war. They should have used someone who didn't know ANYTHING about the inner workings of the Jaeger program to do that Drift. They SHOULD NOT have used one of the KEY SCIENTISTS who knew a great deal about the Jaegers; their strenghts and weaknesses, and the locations of the Shatterdomes. This is why you have to keep an eye on pointy-headed scientists and don't let them just try things that could reveal classified information to the enemy. Everybody knows that when you Drift with another person you can see into each others minds so WHY did they let Newt; a guy who knew a lot of classified information; try Drifting with a Kaiju brain?

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    • Because nobody put two and two together and realized the implications.

      I am also doubtful of the idea that they learned everything Newton knew. The drift doesn't work like that; you learn only what happens to be going through the other person's mind.

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    • They didnt let him, actually XD

      He wasnt allowed to, but he went ahead and did it anyway. Also, I'm not sure the Precursors would have had a chance to outfit a Kaiju with an EMP organ or whatever for that specific fight (Kaiju emerged like an hour later) if the way they choose which Kaiju are going to fight is the "let them fight to the death and send the winner" is true. They only let him Drift the second time because it wasnt like they were going to find out anything new.

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    • That is explicitly untrue. Stacker told him to do it again specifically because he needed more information. Now, it could be argued that not just anyone can drift with a Kaiju and live (they thought no one could at all), but that's beside the point.

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    • This is why they thought it would work.

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      Kaiju didn't attack the walls because the walls didn't matter. Remember, the Kaiju were intended to explore and weaken mankind's defenses. By the time people started building them, it was very clear to the Precursors that the Jaegers were the only real threat (and it wouldn't be difficult for the Precursors to realize that walls couldn't stop Kaiju). So, the Kaiju ignored the walls in favor of targeting Jaegers....


      I thought that the Precursors wanted to take over the Earth and drain the planet of its resources and then move on to another planet. Humans would fight them. So to ensure that there's no one around to interfere with their nefarious plans the Precursors must get rid of the Hu-mans; yes? The Hu-mans are the ones building the Jaegers so; ergo; destroy the Hu-mans and therefore the Jaeger program; mais oui?

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    • In theory, yes. However, in practice, the destruction of one, two, or even three cities has little impact on mankind's ability to fight back. Destroying the Jaegers themselves is far more direct and efficient. Furthermore, the Precursors may not understand the nature of human economics, and therefore might not make the mental connection you just did.

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    • They might realise in post-Drift with Newt and Hermann! :D

      Wait, thats a bad thing... :(

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    • What you need is some scientist who doesn't know anything about the Jaeger program to do the Drift with the Kaiju brain so that he can see and because of his scientific training understand what it is he's seeing but the Precusors can't learn much useful from him. Since the Kaiju have a Hive-mind the scientist should be able to learn a great deal about the Kaiju but the Precusors wouldn't learn much about the Jaeger program from the scientist. Then we use this information to turn the tables on them - we'll go and take over THEIR world and make them grow little Kaijus that can do housework and finally rid Mankind of that awful scourge.

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    • You are entirely correct.

      Maybe they'll think of that if a sequel occurs.

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    • What you need to do is have people with deliberate misinformation about the Jaeger program's vulnerablilities planted in their heads.

      "The new model Jaegers have a severe vulnerable to X...." "If the Kaiju attack here it'll be extremely hard to respond..." "We can only deploy 2 Jaeger if there's an attack in this timeframe...."

      And see if you can make them waste Kaiju models on grown weapons that are especially ineffective or on attacks that you're best suited to respond to ^^

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    • Yes! Feed the Precusors misinformation. Like back in WWII when we made all those fake air-inflated tanks, trucks, etc. to fool Hitler into thinking we were going to invade at Calais like he thought we would then we pulled a switcheroo and landed at Normandy. We even had a Ghost Army. I saw it on TV. From Wikipedia:

      The Ghost Army was a United States Army tactical deception unit during World War II imitating earlier British operations, officially known as the 23rd Headquarters Special Troops. The 1,100-man unit was given a unique mission within the U.S Army: to impersonate other U.S. Army units to deceive the enemy. From a few weeks after D-Day, when they landed in France, until the end of the war, they put on a "traveling road show" utilizing inflatable tanks, sound trucks, fake radio transmissions and pretence. They staged more than 20 battlefield deceptions, often operating very close to the front lines.

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    • That Ghost Army sounds exactly like the entire Cybran style of combat. :)

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    • "We have 3 broken Jaegers at this location! We'll have it defended with a mark 1, but if a strong Kaiju attacks it, we're screwed!"


      • Location actually is a totally evacuated nuclear test range where governments are perfectly willing to nuke all day with little worries about contamination*
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    • Yes! Mahvelous!

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      Aside from that one incident where Newt was Drifting with the brain (and therefore letting them Drift with him), how did the Kaiju know where to go to attack the Jaegers?


      OH SHIT! I just realised that they might be Hiveminded with the SKINMITES!!! 

      If Hannibal was shipping those things alive throughout the Pacific, as soon as a skinmite somehow detected a Jaeger, a Shatterdome, or whatever, the Precursors would know where to attack!!!


      holy crap, i think you're right

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    • Skinmites as spies. Hmmm. Get one on the dissection table now!

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    • I think they were trying to keep Mexicans out with it at first, and then when the Kaiju attacked, they decided, "Mexicans, Kaiju, what's the difference?"

      Joke.

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    • lol

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    • Send Mexicans through the Breach. With their rate of reproduction; they could take over the entire Anteverse in...two...three...months. Remember; time flows differently in the Anteverse.

      Joke.

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    • SOMBREROS!

      Completely Serious.

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    • if they start sending cholo kaiju through?

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    • Feed them this:

      Dave's Insanity Sauce - Only hot sauce ever banned from the National Fiery Foods Show for being too hot.

      Stuff'll burn a hole in their guts. They'll stagger around; sweat profusely, and then keel over. Kaiju bar-be-que already seasoned.

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    • damn that stuff must be hot

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    • Feed them plutonium/uranium/whatever that radioactive burny stuff in nuclear reactors are! Then shove em back through the breach!

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      ...radioactive burny stuff in nuclear reactors are! Then shove em back through the breach!


      "...burny stuff...." The "burny stuff" doesn't burn. It just gives off a lot of heat. It can catch other stuff on fire. "...shove em (sic) back...." Which would only accomplish sending a radioactive Kaiju back through the Breach. Which they'd just get rid off. A hydrogen bomb would work better. It would close the Breach. Like; you know; in the movie. *Leans back; steeples fingers.*

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    • That's exactly what I was going for :D

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    • Back on topic though. I think that it's generally agreed on this thread that the Wall is only a temporary solution - that more Jaegers are needed.

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    • Temporary = 1 hour (and that was a fairly weak Cat-IV)

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      Temporary = 1 hour (and that was a fairly weak Cat-IV)


      Weak against Striker. His head and hands were like, all giant rams. Mutavore's body design seems really good for the task.

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      Temporary = 1 hour (and that was a fairly weak Cat-IV)

      Do we actually know that it spent the whole hour getting through the wall? Or was it that Mutavore broke through the wall an hour after exiting the Breach?

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    • That second option means the wall was even weaker XD

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    • I wonder because an hour seems like a long time to get through a wall to me. Generally speaking, if you can't break through something that is only a few times thicker than your own body within ten minutes, you probably aren't going to break through it period.

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    • That becomes untrue at Post-Square-Cube-Law sizes :)

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    • That sentence didn't even make sense.

      I'm going to assume that was your intention.

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    • maybe mutavore was just stubborn

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    • I gotta say. Reaper makes a good point. Mutavore could've broken through the wall an hour after exiting the breech, maybe destroyed the two Jaegers (though weather this is canon...) and  then broke through the wall. After all, it's the first attack on the wall, so surely people would've left the city. But then, people must've been confident of the (Jaegers) wall so they stayed. Cause as we know Incoming attacks are annonced to the city.

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    • Mutavore destroying two Jaegers has been confirmed as non-canon by Travis Beacham.

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    • The entire concpt of these films is ridiculous. Rather than build a multibillion dollar machine, why not fire the same weapons from a remote platform. The movie tries to deal with this to some degree in the beginning, saying that the military was unable to bring the first Kaiju (sp?) down, but it still doesn't make sense. Why not skip the robot, and put the same weapons in some (much less expensive) device that can fly at an altitude higher than the Kaiju can reach--or better yet, use advanced targeting to just blow the thing up from the shore. Obviously missles work to destroy them because we see it in the film fired from the chest of one of the big machines. Whatever, it's a movie, but it's a dumb one and a dumb concept.

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    • That is an inherent problem in any movie featuring giant robots; anything they can do can be done better by some other system.

      But since this is a giant robot movie and giant robots are cool, we are supposed to ignore that and accept that weapons wielded by giant robots are inexplicably better than those which are not. If you can't get past that, then I would have to question why you would even see the movie in the first place.

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    • Touche. Mon chapeau.

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    • You have to like the whole idea of giant two-legged robots running around demolishing things and blowing stuff up. If you buy into that then you're ok. If not; then this isn't your kind of movie.

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    • Pacific Rim took a lot of it's ideas from giant mecha shows in the past. Are they ridiculous? Why, yes they are. This is one of those things that you have to put aside the fact that giant mecha are not possible due to the laws of physics and also the fact that any weapon that can be put on a giant robot can perform better on a remote or mobile platform. These shows and movies are just for enjoyment and for the thrill of seeing a giant robot beat a giant monster or vice versa. If you watch movies only for accuracy or if they are probable, then your movie selections are going to be quite limited.

      I say this because I have had a life long love/passion for robots and giant mecha. I enjoy sharing this love with others and try to get others to see what movies and shows like this have to offer. Perhaps you should watch this movie again, but with an open mind. If not, then I have to say that I'm deeply sorry.

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    • Watched the movie for the first time last night... can't believe I never went to see it in theaters.  Loved it insanely, had to know everything, came here ^_^

      One quick note, even though this thread might be long dead...

      Mutavore was taller than the wall.  Clearly it would have had no trouble peeking over the neighbor's fence. http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pacificrim13.jpg

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    • Hi XKR :D 

      This old thing'll never die, it's far too famous among the forumers. But that is an interesting point you brought up with Mutavore being taller than the wall. While we're at it,

      WHY WAS THERE A BRIDGE GOING THROUGH THE WALL?!?!?!

      like, seriously guys, there's the wall, then Mutavore, and then a giant friggen bridge in the background that seems to go straight through the wall! This boasts a new level of stupidy for both featured players.

      Humanity: IQ of below sea level for building a bridge through a giant wall.

      Mutavore: Sub-bedrock for not seeing the godamn bridge that was like 500 meters away. 


      And, as was proven with the giant crab chasing Little-Mako, the Kaiju are very very determined things. But, as has been proven with almost all of them, they are extremely stupidly determined. Government sees the Kaiju as mindless monsters and so build a wall because a natural predator or whatever wouldnt bother trying to see what was on the other side. Kaiju proves to be exceedingly stupid predator by seeing the wall and breaking it instead of following traffic and going the easy way.

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    • Hai Basilisk! Thank god you're still here to talk to lonely late-to-the-party me! <3

      AHAHAHAHA I never noticed that!  XD

      I'm just as blind as all of them were!  That's incredible! 

      Unless maybe the wall makes a 90-degree turn at the bridge and continues off in that direction... Maybe Mutavore just walked along the wall until it came to a corner, was too stupid to turn right, and just went through it!

      Except... the bridge is taller than the wall too... omg what idiot came up with this idea?!

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    • AblueXKRS wrote:
      Except... the bridge is taller than the wall too... omg what idiot came up with this idea?!

      Apparently the Pacific version of the United Nations. And frankly if this ever really happened and they started to try and build a wall I'd tell them all to just f*** off and go back to using the damn nukes. 

      Cos at least the KILLED the damn Kaiju

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    • I'm moving back to England.  At least England is as far from the Pacific as you can get.

      It takes a special kind of stupid to think you can hide a 440 foot high bridge behind a wall less than 300 feet tall... :/

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    • No no no! Stay here and join the PPDC. Go to Ranger school and become a Jaeger pilot. Take a Jaeger into battle against Kaiju. To die in battle is glorious! Ask any Klingon!

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    • I cant ask them, they're all dead. 

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    • I'll have to rewatch that part. But the UN are N00BS

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    • If I remember correctly, in the background of the news footage showing Mutavore breaking through the wall, a generous amount of the buildings in the background looked to be about at most twice the height of the wall.

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    • ^faccepalm

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    • Because the governments of the world probably thought the Kaiju were just animals. It's likely that they reasoned that if the Kaiju couldn't reach their prey, they'd become bored and leave them alone. But since we all know they're not animals...

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    • Heh come on guys, you know that if anything like in the movie really happened, our politicians really WOULD be as fucking stupid as this. And they WOULD worry about "funding" and all the rest.

      Yes it's not on the scale of Kaiju attacks but really, you see evidence of this sort of fucking stupidity from government every day in real life. Building projects where it's clearly obvious it's a dumb idea and not going to work, but they go ahead anyways due to some form of personal gain.

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    • BobT36 wrote:
      ...Building projects where it's clearly obvious it's a dumb idea and not going to work, but they go ahead anyways due to some form of personal gain.


      Like China's "ghost cities." The gov't built entire cities and nobody lives there but some gov't bureaucrats.

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    • Simple Awnser : we got bored of this

      Gipsy-chainsword

      Come At Me Bro!

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    • AblueXKRS wrote:
      I'm moving back to England.  At least England is as far from the Pacific as you can get.

      It takes a special kind of stupid to think you can hide a 440 foot high bridge behind a wall less than 300 feet tall... :/


      Most of the time the walls were much further, the Syndey wall was just extra-close because it was built over the part of Syndey destroyed by one of the early Kaiju.

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    • DenzJay wrote:
      To me, they should have just built it for free. I mean, GIANT MONSTERS are set to destroy the world as we know it, and they still need FUNDING for the program? At the verge of this disaster, our world leaders should have just made the program free of funds, because it's just wrong to still get income while the world is at the brink of destruction and civilians are just dying and the government's swimming in money out of the funding for the Jaeger program. But even I know it's necesary, but in that situation, would you still need money even if you know that the world will end if we don't stop the Kaijus?


      Funds *always* matter because they represent actual resources. Even if you declare something funs-free, the people need to actually get and move all the material and expertise needed. The economic cost of a Jaeger is Huge!


      And the Jaeger problem was failing. Brand new Jaegers would've taken awhile to build, and even experienced pilots were falling so often. It was not viable long-term. The wall wasn't either, but at least it looked like it could be.


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    • The only way the wall would even be considered a viable idea is if it had the weapons the jaegers used: railguns, oversized missiles, plasma cannons, mortars, etc.

      The fact that one politician believed that the wall would have worked despite Mutavore's very convincing argument to the contrary means that either the guy has shit for brains, he's one of those kaiju worshippers mentioned in the film, or he and the other politicians are moles sent by the Precursors.

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    • I'm going with the fecal matter for brains. Sounds like most politicians I know.

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    • GodzillaMaster wrote:
      The only way the wall would even be considered a viable idea is if it had the weapons the jaegers used: railguns, oversized missiles, plasma cannons, mortars, etc.



      Problem with that is it'd cost more to arm every important part of the wall than the entire Jaeger program.

      GodzillaMaster wrote:

      The fact that one politician believed that the wall would have worked despite Mutavore's very convincing argument to the contrary means that either the guy has shit for brains, he's one of those kaiju worshippers mentioned in the film, or he and the other politicians are moles sent by the Precursors.


      Hah, yea, that guy! I mean, before that point, I can see supporting the wall, as the preliminary sections both seemed tough enough and weren't attacked anyway. But once Mutavore hits? That's just caring more about trying to hold on to your policy than noticing blatant reality.

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    • ZeroSD wrote:
      GodzillaMaster wrote:
      The only way the wall would even be considered a viable idea is if it had the weapons the jaegers used: railguns, oversized missiles, plasma cannons, mortars, etc.

      Problem with that is it'd cost more to arm every important part of the wall than the entire Jaeger program.

      Just the sections near all the coastal cities. Besides, from what I recall, the wall is covering the entire Pacific coastline, adding a few weapons near the cities isn't going to set them back that much.

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    • If the world had the technology to build the jaegers, why didn't they just build oversized lazer towers on the coasline?

      Not only is it LESS expensive than the "wall of life", but imagine this:

      "We have another kaiju emerging from the breach!"...

      ZZZAP! (lazers doing their work)

      "Ok, never mind, RESET THE CLOCK!"

      I think the movie just displays what LOOKS cool and not what is practical. (after all, its just a movie).

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    • Actually the government is just really really stupid (even though this is downplayed in movies) and while the movie kinda does just display what looks cool, the Jaeger are also practical. But if we want to get into stuff about what would be practical etc then the Kaiju wouldnt exist and that. 


      However if we were invaded by Kaiju-like monsters that obeyed physics I still think that torpedo spam would be the way to go :P

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    • GodzillaMaster wrote:

      Just the sections near all the coastal cities. Besides, from what I recall, the wall is covering the entire Pacific coastline, adding a few weapons near the cities isn't going to set them back that much.


      The plasma cannons require huge jaeger reactors. The missiles are short range. You'd be talking, like, a half dozen to a dozen to cover a *small* city.


      The weapon systems and reactors to power them are likely the very most expensive parts of a Jaeger. So yea, even putting them just at the city sections- and there's dozens of cities on the Rim (maybe hundreds? A lot)- is a major cost.


      Plus, being immobile they're very vulnerable.

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    • 71.51.195.140 wrote:
      If the world had the technology to build the jaegers, why didn't they just build oversized lazer towers on the coasline?

      Not only is it LESS expensive than the "wall of life", but imagine this:

      "We have another kaiju emerging from the breach!"...

      ZZZAP! (lazers doing their work)

      "Ok, never mind, RESET THE CLOCK!"

      I think the movie just displays what LOOKS cool and not what is practical. (after all, its just a movie).


      The plasma cannons are short-ranged and required to be linked to *giant* nuclear (or post-nuclear) reactors. Think about that.


      A long-range laser cannon? You'd need reactors much bigger than the Jaeger, you'd need higher weapon tech, and you'd need them at every city. You also have to worry about Kaiju coming ashore a distance from one and circling around, destroying it where it can't fire. You still can't target them in the water, after all.


      Rather than cheaper, that might cost more than the Jaeger program and walls combined. I think people are underestimating just how much realestate you're asking to protect with fixed defenses.

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    • The pacific coastline is 135,663km. they also had too build around the areas with out a coast so the kaiju couldn't extend past the pacific. what happens when the "cheaper" alternitives to the wall are forced to extend around the ENTIRE. BLEEPING. WORLD? The costs are enormous.

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    • ZeroSD wrote:
      71.51.195.140 wrote:
      If the world had the technology to build the jaegers, why didn't they just build oversized lazer towers on the coasline?

      Not only is it LESS expensive than the "wall of life", but imagine this:

      "We have another kaiju emerging from the breach!"...

      ZZZAP! (lazers doing their work)

      "Ok, never mind, RESET THE CLOCK!"

      I think the movie just displays what LOOKS cool and not what is practical. (after all, its just a movie).


      The plasma cannons are short-ranged and required to be linked to *giant* nuclear (or post-nuclear) reactors. Think about that.


      A long-range laser cannon? You'd need reactors much bigger than the Jaeger, you'd need higher weapon tech, and you'd need them at every city. You also have to worry about Kaiju coming ashore a distance from one and circling around, destroying it where it can't fire. You still can't target them in the water, after all.


      Rather than cheaper, that might cost more than the Jaeger program and walls combined. I think people are underestimating just how much realestate you're asking to protect with fixed defenses.

      Your probably right.

      Its an idea though.   :)

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    • Also, remember that the WHOLE WORLD is in on this...why bother about money?

      If the survival of the world is at stake, the cost of building the lazer towers (although immense!) arn't THAT important. (and that is a major factor that bugs people on this topic)

      ON the other hand, the "Kaiju flanking the lazer-tower" idea is a good one! You have succeded in proving me wrong (which I am just fine with, I agree with that drawback).

      This is the kind of talk that the politicians should have been doing! (giving ideas, then talking pros and cons).

      Good talk ZeroSD !

      Later

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    • 71.51.195.140 wrote:
      Also, remember that the WHOLE WORLD is in on this...why bother about money?

      If the survival of the world is at stake, the cost of building the lazer towers (although immense!) arn't THAT important. (and that is a major factor that bugs people on this topic)

      ON the other hand, the "Kaiju flanking the lazer-tower" idea is a good one! You have succeded in proving me wrong (which I am just fine with, I agree with that drawback).

      This is the kind of talk that the politicians should have been doing! (giving ideas, then talking pros and cons).

      Good talk ZeroSD !

      Later



      You need money because you need workers to eat, resources to move all the material, experts to assemble anything... money represents resources. Not calling it money doesn't decrease those resources, and using those resources takes them away from everywhere else regardless. So, you can give a huge budget, but money always still ultimately matters, and if you don't pay attention to that and go over how much resources you can bring to bear, the resource chain will collapse and things won't get done.


      Anyway, I think that a combination of wall (purely to slow the Kaiju down!) and a mobile response force of Jaegers is a better idea... you could make artillery Jaegers to just stand on the other side of the wall and fire ^^ And they can move if the Kaiju tries to go around. 


      • If* you could somehow convince the Kaiju to just attack one point then stationary defenses (maybe in support of Jaegers?) make more sense, but their attacks are too scattered.
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    • You need money because you need workers to eat, resources to move all the material, experts to assemble anything... money represents resources. Not calling it money doesn't decrease those resources, and using those resources takes them away from everywhere else regardless. So, you can give a huge budget, but money always still ultimately matters, and if you don't pay attention to that and go over how much resources you can bring to bear, the resource chain will collapse and things won't get done.


      Anyway, I think that a combination of wall (purely to slow the Kaiju down!) and a mobile response force of Jaegers is a better idea... you could make artillery Jaegers to just stand on the other side of the wall and fire ^^ And they can move if the Kaiju tries to go around. 


      • If* you could somehow convince the Kaiju to just attack one point then stationary defenses (maybe in support of Jaegers?) make more sense, but their attacks are too scattered.

      On the money problem, I think your right. Money does represent food, supplies, etc.

      I agree with you completely. Nice thinking...

      The wall/jaeger combo, on the other hand, is an interesting idea...

      In the movie, they said the kaiju broke through the wall in "less than an hour", thats plenty of time to get a jaeger there. Another thing is that you said that the jaegers can shoot over the wall, not only is that handy, but think of this: along with the jaegers (who are the "kaiju fighters" when the wall is breached), can they not then put something ELSE in support of the jaegers?

      To explain: when the kaiju first attacked, the world was still using conventional armies. Where did all of that equipment go? They did say that it took a LONG while to kill that first kaiju, but they did eventually. So get some artillery or moble-rocket-systems to support the jaegers defence. We both know the rockets, etc. ALONE will NOT kill the kaiju, but it will slow him down further and it definitly hurts! Imagine being hit with large caliber shells or rockets and getting smacked with a jaeger at the same time your busy trying to break down a wall. Somewhat tough to do?

      I understand that this will certainly present the usage of more money (to make rockets/shells and to repair anything thats damaged), but a better investment than what I had stated earlier. (lazer towers :D )

      Any drawbacks to this other than monetary issues?( which will always be there)

      Good Talk! I love nice conversations like this! (assuming there is no cussing/swearing/inapropriate speech.)

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    • Don't forget the Kaiju Blue- small wounds cause it to bleed toxic substances while it travels around, and only in exchange for a little annoyance. So I think rolling out the conventional forces is only worth doing if you're trying to lure the Kaiju away from somewhere, otherwise it adds to the cleanup costs and casualties.


      They did keep copters around as spotters, though, so non-Jaeger play a role, it's just when they don't affect the fight much and might make things messier, it's better to be support.

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    • True, thats a good point...

      But didin't Striker Eureka fire conventional missiles? That could be messy and they did not care so much. So although I would agree on that point, they were firing missiles in the movie anyways... and in the middle of Sydney and (tried to) at Hong Cong. So would it make much of a difference?

      The Jaegers tend to be messy anyways (swords,saw-hands, etc.), so would the cleanup costs be any different?

      Heres an example---which is messier?: A sword-equipped robot, 

                                                                          or

                                                             A dozen missiles in the face?

      I think one may be no messier than the other. The helicopters are used to good affect though, I agree on that.

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    • No; SE didn't fire conventional missiles. Those were missiles specifically designed to penetrate Kaiju armor and then explode inside the Kaiju.

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    • HYP GET ON CHAT PLZ :D

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    • Thats right, but then why not design the other missiles the same way?

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    • 71.51.195.140 wrote:
      Thats right, but then why not design the other missiles the same way?


      What other missiles?


      Most missiles would be far too small to take down a Kaiju no matter how they were designed. Jaeger missiles were set up that way.



      We saw Striker's take down Mutavore with a lot-lot less blood than Gipsy's sword (which didn't even have the cauterizing aspects of other, smaller jaeger blades). Other Jaegers with missiles may have had similar designs.

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    • ZeroSD wrote:
      71.51.195.140 wrote:
      Thats right, but then why not design the other missiles the same way?

      What other missiles?


      Most missiles would be far too small to take down a Kaiju no matter how they were designed. Jaeger missiles were set up that way.



      We saw Striker's take down Mutavore with a lot-lot less blood than Gipsy's sword (which didn't even have the cauterizing aspects of other, smaller jaeger blades). Other Jaegers with missiles may have had similar designs.

      The truth is it would be much more cost effective to manufacture silo-based missiles with the new warheads to be launched at the Kaiju. (we already make missiles that big in real life, but they are ballistic missiles. It would simply be a matter of installing a proper guidance system) They could easily be guided by optical tracking or laser painting from high altitude aircraft. No more wasting trillions of dollars on Jaegers that get destroyed faster than they can be manufactered. 

      But keep in mind, this movie is basically about the Jaegers. In no way could a Jaeger ever be a practical weapon in the real world. Even after they invented an enemy simply to justify the existence of Jaegers for the movie, the logic still doesn't really hold up. A Jaeger presents a Kaiju with one target that is slow, vulnerable, and very difficult to replace. Think about it: if you deploy a Jaeger against a Kaiju, the Kaiju is allowed to fight your entire force at once. It would much more effective to engage them from all sides with an overabundance of more expendable vehicles (maybe drones) and ordinance. That way, the Kaiju is disoriented and overwhelmed, and you're not dependent soley on a single vehicle for your survival.  

      The whole concept of the Jaegers doesn't make since in the real world. But we just have to accept that this is not the real world and move on. 

      That said, I do think they should seriously consider some combined arms action for the next film. They could still justify the Jaegers by saying they are the most effective weapons against the Kaiju - I can suspend my disbelief that much for a film this fantastical. But I do think even in this world, there is no reason not to use all your assests. Hell, at the very least you could mount plasma casters in turrets around the major coastal cities. 

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    • -The truth is it would be much more cost effective to manufacture silo-based missiles with the new warheads to be launched at the Kaiju. (we already make missiles that big in real life, but they are ballistic missiles. It would simply be a matter of installing a proper guidance system) They could easily be guided by optical tracking or laser painting from high altitude aircraft. No more wasting trillions of dollars on Jaegers that get destroyed faster than they can be manufactered. -


      Note that Striker's missiles are pretty short range. To make a missile with the same warhead long range, you'd need to make it much, much bigger to give fuel, and that makes it much less agile, and then you generally gotta target them in high-cover locations.


      -Think about it: if you deploy a Jaeger against a Kaiju, the Kaiju is allowed to fight your entire force at once. It would much more effective to engage them from all sides with an overabundance of more expendable vehicles (maybe drones) and ordinance. That way, the Kaiju is disoriented and overwhelmed, and you're not dependent soley on a single vehicle for your survival.  - Multiple problems- Small forces cannot control a Kaiju's movement like a Jaeger can, and piling up small wounds exacerbates the Blue issue. Also that way you're guaranteed to take damage to your forces, while often the Jaegers only needed some minor armor repair after. One of the primary things about a Jaeger is it's ability to make a Kaiju *stop* in a way nothing smaller can. If a Kaiju choses to rush numerous lighter forces, or go past them and aim for the civilians, there's no way to stop it. If a Kaiju choses to do that with a Jaeger, the Jaeger can grab and physically stop it.  That said, note how multiple Jaeger drops were common. So you can still do overwhelming firepower from multiple sides in that way. One-on-one wasn't ideal, it's just what you do when you aren't sure precisely where the Kaiju is going to land and want to make sure one Jaeger is in the way. -Hell, at the very least you could mount plasma casters in turrets around the major coastal cities. - This has been mentioned a couple times- in order to do that you'd need Jaeger-sized reactors, and now you have stationary fairly short ranged weapons that the Kaiju might not even have to go through and might not see action for years, without the physical defense of a Jaeger. If you're paying the cost of Jaeger reactors and weaponry anyway, instead of making a dozen turrets, why not just build 9 Jaegers that are better defended and can be deployed whereever you want and which can be concentrated on targets?

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    • ^ Perfectly explained. But you did forget to mention the fact that small arms fire just enrages the kaiju.

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    • In reply to ZeroSD:
      "Note that Striker's missiles are pretty short range. To make a missile with the same warhead long range, you'd need to make it much, much bigger to give fuel, and that makes it much less agile, and then you generally gotta target them in high-cover locations." 

      So you expect me to believe they were able to research, develope, and manufacture giant fighting robots, techonology which is not even in its infancy today, but they can't figure out how to upscale a missile? You do realize we already have missiles capable of this, right? ICBMs. Which we can launch from one side of the world and land in a small room on the other. Just replace the inertial guidance and MIRV with a laser guidance system and the nuclear warheads with conventional warheads. Like with a JDAM. 

      In truth, you could actually make this even easier with short range missiles launched from nearby cities/bases. 

      Look, I may not know as much about ficitional robots as you, but I know about military hardware. 


      "Multiple problems- Small forces cannot control a Kaiju's movement like a Jaeger can"

      You don't have to if you kill it.

      "and piling up small wounds exacerbates the Blue issue. "

      Striker Eureka seemed to have no issue using missiles in the middle of a city. And if that does bother you, use a tandem warhead. First one is a shaped charge to penetrate the armor, and the second is a delayed fused high-explose that will detonate inside the Kaiju.

      I'd also like to point out that while the Kaiju blue was invented for the sole purpose of justifying the non-use of conventional weapons, the negative effects of more blue spill is negligable against the effective of allowing a kaijy to live even a few seconds more. It's better to have the spill than to let the Kaijy take out another city block.

      "Also that way you're guaranteed to take damage to your forces"

      Exactly. But while repairing the damage caused to a Jaeger would cost untold millions to repair (not to mention the cost when they are destroyed), missiles and drones are expendable. With a Jaeger, you are allowing the Kaiju to attack your ENTIRE financial and resource investment at once. With more numerous, smaller, and cheaper platforms, it can only caused so much investment damage at once. "

      ", while often the Jaegers only needed some minor armor repair after."

      That's not what I saw in the movie. They got wrecked after every battle. And they were pretty much all lost too, which probably cost several hundred trillion or more. "

      "One of the primary things about a Jaeger is it's ability to make a Kaiju *stop* in a way nothing smaller can. If a Kaiju choses to rush numerous lighter forces, or go past them and aim for the civilians, there's no way to stop it. If a Kaiju choses to do that with a Jaeger, the Jaeger can grab and physically stop it."

      This is so far the only advantage I see to the Jaeger. But even then, killing it is the only real way to stop it for good. And there are better ways to do that.

      Also, we could just bring back SUBROCs. Use a sonar network around the major coastal cities. When a Kaiju is detected, launch a missile carrying a nuclear depth charge. And, considering concussive effects are applified underwater, it will take care of it. 

      "That said, note how multiple Jaeger drops were common. So you can still do overwhelming firepower from multiple sides in that way. One-on-one wasn't ideal, it's just what you do when you aren't sure precisely where the Kaiju is going to land and want to make sure one Jaeger is in the way. "

      They clearly explained that the Jaegers were being destroyed faster than they could be built. Expecting to have several Jaegers ready to fight each Kaiju was clearly not going to happen for much longer.

      "This has been mentioned a couple times- in order to do that you'd need Jaeger-sized reactors, and now you have stationary fairly short ranged weapons that the Kaiju might not even have to go through and might not see action for years, without the physical defense of a Jaeger. If you're paying the cost of Jaeger reactors and weaponry anyway, instead of making a dozen turrets, why not just build 9 Jaegers that are better defended and can be deployed whereever you want and which can be concentrated on targets?"

      They're short ranged? I'm going to ask to ask for a citation for that. 9 Jaegers to a dozen plasma casters? So you're telling me that the plasma caster accounts for 75% of the cost of each Jaeger? If that is true, then I might buy it. As far as the reactor goes, why not have a few reactors for each city; they are linked to a perimeter of turrets. When there is no Kaiju, you let the reactors power the city. When a kaijy does show up, you divert the power to the turrets (emergency generators for the vital funtions of the city like hospitals). The citizens won't mind an hour without power because of the cheaper power pills and because they like being alive. Additionally, since they wouldn't be limited to what could be carried by a Jaeger, we could make the caster much bigger and more powerful. 


      Of course the simplest solution is to put a nuclear warhead on a remote controlled submersible and park it next to the portal and detonante when they arrive. (This technology already exists)


      in reply to Glitchrr36Then you have another answer to the problem of keeping Kaiju out of the cities. Engage them with drones to keep away from the city. Unless you're implying it will not distract them but somehow make them more vicious, to which I have to ask "why aren't they already as vicious as can be? How can anything make it worse?"

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    • I just makes them angry. If it gets into a city, you won't be ale to lure it away. You would just maik it even more destructive.

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    • Pacific Rim runs on the rule of cool, not the rule of logic. For instance, that scene in the movie where the Jaegre (cant rememeber its name) pulls out a sword that 1 shots the Kaiju after punching it didnt work, WHY DIDNT HE JUST USE THE SWORD IN THE FIRST PLACE!??!?!. Or those Plasma Cannons, instead of super expensive and frail jaegr they coul dhave just put Plasma Turrets everywhere along the wall, or built massive flying gunships, or perhaps just surround the rift with turrets.

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    • I got the impression that the Jaeger programme was beyond expensive, funding it for ten years was like the great depression, credit crunch and oil crisis combined. Continuing to build them would see total global collapse within two years. The walls were meant to be a cheaper alternative... which i thought was a very realistic aspect to the film.

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    • People just don't read the thread before posting any more, do they?

      Well, I guess I can't complain. These threads have become incredibly long.

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    • This is because the President of the United Nations happened to be a Filipino. You should not be surprised how they make stupid and useless decisions like the anti-kaiju wall based on how Filipino Leaders run the Philippine Government.

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    • 122.2.68.66 wrote: This is because the President of the United Nations happened to be a Filipino. You should not be surprised how they make stupid and useless decisions like the anti-kaiju wall based on how Filipino Leaders run the Philippine Government.

      that broad scope was not exactly needed...

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    • what if we mostly defunded the jaeger program and made it so they would defend the more remote parts of the rim, and build tall towers along the outskirts of the major cities that use some sort of railgun to fire a giant spear (something really pointy) at the kaiju? ie, the towers magnetically accellerate the spear at extremely high velocities to go straight through the kaiju? economically willing, we could have the spears explode while inside the kaiju. oh, and why didnt they send explosives into the monsters' eyes? a simple flare pissed it off, i think a couple tank shells could blind it.    i assume that they would be cheaper than the wall and jaegers.  or, is there any way we could use the coolant to slow them down, like in transformers?   other ideas:  inject kaiju with a large amount of arsenic/any other poision... spend money developing carbon nanotubes/self healing metals (i read a Cracked article about these things)  making them cheaper to produce and graphite/molybdenum processors... fill planes with explosives and remote control them...

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    • Most of those would be very, very hardto pull off. Kaiju only emerge close to land, and they may be unaffected by most poisons.

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    • Destructor prime wrote:
      what if we mostly defunded the jaeger program and made it so they would defend the more remote parts of the rim, and build tall towers along the outskirts of the major cities that use some sort of railgun to fire a giant spear (something really pointy) at the kaiju? ie, the towers magnetically accellerate the spear at extremely high velocities to go straight through the kaiju? economically willing, we could have the spears explode while inside the kaiju. oh, and why didnt they send explosives into the monsters' eyes? a simple flare pissed it off, i think a couple tank shells could blind it.    i assume that they would be cheaper than the wall and jaegers.  or, is there any way we could use the coolant to slow them down, like in transformers?   other ideas:  inject kaiju with a large amount of arsenic/any other poision... spend money developing carbon nanotubes/self healing metals (i read a Cracked article about these things)  making them cheaper to produce and graphite/molybdenum processors... fill planes with explosives and remote control them...


      Those kinds of weapon systems are far too practical for a giant robot movie.

      Also, the fact that you're suggesting chemical warfare as a way to fight kaiju should give you pause, given that the battlefield is our cities (where we live).

      Finally, carbon nanotubes on those scales would be the opposite of cheap (and they've already been used in at least one application: Striker Eureka's sting blades).

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    • at least it was designed to withstand a cat4 ;)

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    • Eh, i gues you're right. But seriously, how ahrd would it be to shoot a missile filled with liquid notrogen or something into the kaiju's mouth? I assume a small missile would be pretty easy to get it in.

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        • hard
        • nitrogen
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    • horizon brave...

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    • 99.0.60.41 wrote:
      Of course the simplest solution is to put a nuclear warhead on a remote controlled submersible and park it next to the portal and detonante when they arrive. (This technology already exists)


      That's a good point; the enemies have ONE point of entry. Furthermore, they were able to determine when they come through. Why not use nuclear depth charges and wipe them out without a fight the second they come through?

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    • only one is shown in the film due to time and monetary contraints, they show up along any faultline in the pacific rim in novelization, not to mention the inherent problems with continually nuking the world's oceans

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    • What we want to do is send a nuclear depth charge IN as they come OUT :3

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    • It wouldn't destroy the breach, though. We'd need to block it somehow. Also, the Precursors would most likely modify the kaiju in some way so they could survive, like a swarm-type thing. Thousands of mini-kaiju would swarm out and overwhelm the submersible, possibly even disconnecting the bomb, while thousands more would swim for the surface. Also, cockroaches can survive a nuke, why not use roach-like kaiju?

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    • Roaches can't survive nukes. They can survive radiation, but not nukes. Nukes are weapons that produce massive explosions, which vaporize living things instantly.

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    • Sorry about that. On an unrelated note, the Kaiju can stand multiple nuclear blasts, as we saw with Trespasser, so the nuke subs wouldn't really work unless we send a bunch down, one at a time.

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    • Glitchrr36 wrote:
      Roaches can't survive nukes. They can survive radiation, but not nukes. Nukes are weapons that produce massive explosions, which vaporize living things instantly.

      Actually, as insects go, roaches aren't that great at dealing with radiation. Flour beetles do much better.

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    • If a cockroach touches a human, it will run away to hide and clean itself.


      Now imagine if that happened with the Kaiju.

      Kaiju: RAWR! *stomps on someone* EEEEEE!!!! PEOPLE GERMS!! D8 *runs away*

      Jaeger: Dafuq?

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    • I'm pretty sure a roach-like Kaiju wouldn't carry the psychology of one.

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    • Kaiju: *stomps on Reaper* EEEE SMART PEOPLE GERMS! D8 *runs away*

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    • DenzJay wrote:
      To me, they should have just built it for free. I mean, GIANT MONSTERS are set to destroy the world as we know it, and they still need FUNDING for the program? At the verge of this disaster, our world leaders should have just made the program free of funds, because it's just wrong to still get income while the world is at the brink of destruction and civilians are just dying and the government's swimming in money out of the funding for the Jaeger program. But even I know it's necesary, but in that situation, would you still need money even if you know that the world will end if we don't stop the Kaijus?


      If they did it for free, all of the companies who work at manufacturing the resources that went into it would probably go bankrupt. They didn't do it for free the same way we don't get  our tanks and guns for free, the company should get payed for their work. Also, the government would not be swimming in money from the Jaeger program. You see in the film that money is scarce.

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    • or we could finally shift to a post-monetary society

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    • That requires a world of post-scarcity, which has not yet been achieved.

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    • Or maybe we could put a massive in-sink-erator to cut them in half every time they swim up from the breach.

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    • Cyber-Shadow6 wrote:
      It wouldn't destroy the breach, though. We'd need to block it somehow. Also, the Precursors would most likely modify the kaiju in some way so they could survive, like a swarm-type thing. Thousands of mini-kaiju would swarm out and overwhelm the submersible, possibly even disconnecting the bomb, while thousands more would swim for the surface. Also, cockroaches can survive a nuke, why not use roach-like kaiju?


      Then we would adapt. It's not like the Jaegers would be useful against cockroaches either. But I don't see how a nuke wouldn't stop them anyway. I mean, detonated underwater, the nuke's concussive forces would be applified heavily. 


      Of course, I'd also like to take this time to point out how ridiculous it is for an explosion of basically unlimited power can't hurt a Kaiju, but a couple of punches can. I know I'm supposed to just poke holes in everything, but I bet if they spent more time thinking about this, the writers could have come up with a better justification. 

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    • Explosions disperse kinetic force evenly through the atmosphere. A punch has the same amount of energy as a nuclear explosion, but packed into a much smaller area. And nukes are nowhere near "unlimited power." They actually have a big limit on them, in the form of size and material. I think we already reached this particular conclusion somewhere else in the forums.

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    • It's all about pressure. You stab yourself with a pin and it goes through your skin. You stab yourself with a carrot using the same amount of force and it doesnt. Why?

      Because it's carrot! *facepalm* seriously though, its because there's more area for the total amount of pressure and that's why people dont stab you with carrots. It isnt very effective.

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    • Get the Kaiju to somehow swallow a nuke. Or a lot of mini-nukes. 

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    • Missile carriers chok-full of anti kaiju missiles.

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    • One thong that the HOnest Trailer points out that really bugs me is that they only use the sword at the end, even though it seems to be most effective weapon agaibst Kaijus. How do you forget that you have an OP weapon when you ar fighting mosters that seem invunerable to most other weapons you have? Another thong that bugs me is the destion to go on the defensive, when you have numerical advantage, and when you count the sword, at least a fair chance at killing the Kaijus. They could just have the Jeagers stationed near to the rift, and when a Kaiju arrives, they just gang on it, which, with the sword actually being used, would likely go far better than that utter failure against Mutavore. And just to end, on the topic of the Wall, if a kaiju can easily knock down skyscrappers, it will no dout destroy a wall just by just walking into it, so it might be taken as 14 months were Jeagers were not built, chaning a semi decent idea that with the sword becomes somewhat effective, with the literal comparison of trying to stop a person from getting close to you by placing a curtain instead of punching them and fighting back.

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    • One COntributor wrote:
      One thong that the HOnest Trailer points out that really bugs me is that they only use the sword at the end, even though it seems to be most effective weapon agaibst Kaijus. How do you forget that you have an OP weapon when you ar fighting mosters that seem invunerable to most other weapons you have? Another thong that bugs me is the destion to go on the defensive, when you have numerical advantage, and when you count the sword, at least a fair chance at killing the Kaijus. They could just have the Jeagers stationed near to the rift, and when a Kaiju arrives, they just gang on it, which, with the sword actually being used, would likely go far better than that utter failure against Mutavore. And just to end, on the topic of the Wall, if a kaiju can easily knock down skyscrappers, it will no dout destroy a wall just by just walking into it, so it might be taken as 14 months were Jeagers were not built, chaning a semi decent idea that with the sword becomes somewhat effective, with the literal comparison of trying to stop a person from getting close to you by placing a curtain instead of punching them and fighting back.


      All this is very explainable:

      The sword is only used as a last resort, because it sprays a large amount of Kaiju blue over the area, something that is really really bad. Also, it's only recently been installed as part of the Mark III Restoration Program, which is why the sword isn't used in the beginning.

      The Jeagers are always used defensively. The Kaiju, even if humanity didn't know it, always held numerical superiority. The decision to build a wall rather than build Jeagers comes after 2024, where 8 Jeagers were lost to 14 Kaiju attacks. Jeagers can't be stationed around the Rift 24/7 for two reasons-

      Jeagers can only operate for a very limited period of time underwater, and it would probably reduce their combat effectiveness.

      Nuclear reactors. While it is mentioned later models have shielding, it is likely pilots do suffer from the effects of radiation. This is offset by the relatively short time spent with the active reactor, only during combat.

      The wall must have a high degree of construction techniques and reinforced building materials. As it is mentioned that Mutavore broke through in about an hour.

      And, for future reference, please don't post on threads that've been basically dead for nearly 2 years,

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