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    Necro Posting.
    20:40, August 23, 2018
    • Given that we don't even know the number of minutes it took Striker Eureka to kill Mutavore, or how long it took Coyote Tango to kill Onibaba, or anything that would help us figure this out, I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and say we have no way of knowing.

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    • Not long at all in my opinion.

      Think about it, Onibaba is a category 2? (Goes to check) Yeah he's a Category 2 Kaiju which means he isnt that strong at all (compared to Cat-4s and 5's) and considering Striker took out Mutavore with barely a scratch (and what looked like ease) then Onibaba is pretty screwed. Oni also looks pretty bulky to me so his movenments would'nt match up to Strikers fluid action.

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    • Mutavore managed to take out two Jaegers AND the Wall with barely a scratch (but the Wall wasnt exactly a challenge either way so meh) so all the match-ups in Pacific Rim seem to be skewed to one side or the other, no even matches. (kinda)


      But yeah, the Striker would probably take him out fairly quickly.

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    • given that both their respective on screen opponents had received damage before being encountered its an unknown.  however, if they each had a clean slate against onbibaba itd likely go to striker given level of advancement and kaiju specific weaponry

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    • Even though this principle wouldn't fully apply to such a situation, as someone with actual experience in martial arts fighting, actual fights are usually decided within the first few moments, the rest is often just prolonging the inevitable. Striker's speed would give it an opportunity to get some good blows in early on, which would significantly tip the scales in it's favor

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    • to further ur point tho, coyote tangos strength is range, if onibaba were distracted, dazed or trapped temporarily then his mortars could hit before striker could get there

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    • 24.79.1.53 wrote:
      I mean in minutes....


      Ok we need to answer this question. But this is going to be very tough. Striker seems to kill Mutavore is 3-4 fluid punches (could someone confirm this, forgot how many punches thrown) and a full firing of his chest missiles. ermmmm...I'd say 14 seconds. Noting that Mutavore destroyed the anti kaiju wall in less than a hour (?) and ripped 2 Jaegers to shreds, Striker is a very skilled and powerful Jaeger. Now, Onibaba is a category 2 so in a sense, half as dangerous so Striker would take half as long to kill him, 7 seconds. But in my opinion, these battles seem to quick. Lets look at Oni's features, strengths and weaknesses.

      Onibaba's claws are said to able to crush over 50,000 pounds square inch. That's strong. He is also defensive in his attacks as opposed to most kaiju, that are offensive in nature. His armour is strong, especially around the head which means Striker's strategy of stunning kaiju with repeated punches (with 4.211 "Brass Knuckles" which are a temperature-resistant brass-steel compound cast around the joints of each finger extension, adding greatly to the impact potential of each punch.) to the head and finally finishing off the stunned beast with its missiles. However, Onibaba is weak around the neck and underbelly, Striker could use this to her advantage.

      Now, this is how I think the battle would go. Striker would rush in and grab Oni by the head, lift it up, exposing the throat and hammer it with its fist (choking Oni). He could then use this to throw some punches to Oni's stomach/chest (which would wind him). Now winded and choked, Oni couldn't defend himself or fight back. Striker could then fire his chest missiles and finish him off. 7 seconds? Even less?

      That's what I think anyway.

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    • You could RPG these scenarios. Take for example the Robotech RPG by Palladium. Assign Armour and Weapon values based on the Jaegers and Kaiju and duke it out. 

      Im thinking that you multiply up values for any of the Mechs for size and weight,and mabye use the Invid or Zentraedi as a base to create Kaiju from. I will have a look at this.

      Pilot stats can be used for combat saves and bonuses- with better stats for successful or more compatible drifts. 

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    • Wait wait wait back up bro....what? Could you explain this a bit more? I'm slightly confused

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    • only second its cat II and striker is mk V and striker killed mutavore and nearly slattern.

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    • 124.183.249.58 wrote:
      only second its cat II and striker is mk V and striker killed mutavore and nearly slattern.


      Exactly my point.

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    • If you consider blowing yourself up with a nuke strapped on your back, against the strongest Kaiju ever seen... Yeah, you nearly killed Slattern but you killed yourself in the process, win-win? I don't think so.

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    • Striker would probably take an hour. 10 minutes of actual beating him up and the rest gloating before overkilling with the missiles

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    • Striker didn't "nearly kill Slattern" with the bomb. The bomb failed to even remove those half-severed arms. The damage to the rest of the body appeared to be cosmetic in nature.

      Now, given how the battle was going, Striker might well have killed Slattern had he not called for assistance, but that's beside the point.

      Also, could we please stop with the assumption that being a later generation Jaeger automatically makes one superior? Cherno Alpha's statline was superior to Gipsy Danger's and almost equal to Crimson Typhoon's, for crying out loud (of course, Gipsy Danger's real power is in its superior armament, but Crimson Typhoon can't say the same). Being a later generation implies better technology, but that does not automatically mean superiority.

      And there is no connection between Jaeger generations and Kaiju categories. A category IV Kaiju is not necessarily more powerful than a mk II Jaeger, for example.

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    • well lets look at cherno it has 1 weapon the tesla fists. striker is said to be the most powerful . oni had a melee orieted build. striker could kill it with the missiles that are said to kill any kaiju with a full barrage and bettr tech = superioty like iphone 3 vs 5

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    • Actually, Striker is only said in the movie to be the fastest. Now, one may well conclude that it is the best (this is the part where I plug my blog), but to say that it is better simply because it has newer technology would be folly. Each Jaeger must be judged on its own talents, not based on how new and shiny it is (especially given the possibility of upgrades).

      Also, we don't know that a full barrage of Striker's missiles could kill any Kaiju. We know that five of them killed a weakened Mutavore (who has Armor 7). There is no guarantee they would have the same effect on a healthy Armor 7+ Kaiju (or that hitting a healthy Kaiju with them is feasible). In any case, I find it highly unlikely that they would kill Slattern (who took Striker's bomb underwater at point blank range and laughed), which would single-handedly make the statement "Striker's missiles can kill any Kaiju in one barrage" false.

      Finally, Cherno Alpha technically has more than just the Tesla Fists. It's fists are also spring-loaded (which one might want to lump together with the Tesla Fists), and it possesses two Incinerator Turbines (even if they were each only half as effective as Gipsy's Vortex Turbine, that would still be better than any single weapon Striker Eureka has).

      This is not to say that I believe Cherno Alpha is superior, but if one is going to make sweeping generalizations about who would beat who and how fast, he or she should get their facts straight.

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    • Half an hour to kill, three and half worth of gloating

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    • If Striker Eureka fought Onibaba like it did Otachi....FIRST ROUND KO.

      That is less than 3 minutes if he starts with hand to hand. 

      Or one volley of his Anti-Kaiju Missiles which would accumulate to several seconds at most.

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    • Otachi was the flying one that took a boatsword to the face and almost licked Newt... are you sure you dont mean Mutavore? (Mutavore destroyed the wall and got taken out pretty quickly by Striker)

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    • striker was beating the blue out of otachi before leather emp-ed everything

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    • Onibaba couldn't catch Mako :3

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    • BOATSWORDS FTW!

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      Otachi was the flying one that took a boatsword to the face and almost licked Newt... are you sure you dont mean Mutavore? (Mutavore destroyed the wall and got taken out pretty quickly by Striker)


      Nope. Definitely Otachi.

      In that quick skirmish Striker Eureka showed it was easily superior to Crimson Typhoon, Cherno Alpha and Gipsy Danger. 

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    • briefly more successful? yes

      difinitively showed superiority? no

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      briefly more successful? yes

      difinitively showed superiority? no


      Why not?

      Crimson Typhoon landed his Thunder Cloud Formation but Otachi took it and crushed his buzzsaws. CT had to suplex Otachi (with the help of gravity) into Cherno Alpha to give him time to recover.

      Cherno Alpha landed a headlock, and then 3 piston punches but Otachi took it, recovered and counter attacked with tail swipe before CA could follow threw.

      Striker Eureka fought Otachi for equal or longer than those two, landed 9-10 punches which Otachi could not counter attack in between and uppercut Otachi's whole body out of the water with one punch. Striker than dead lifted Otachi's whole weight and tossed it away. 

      Considering Otachi was able to take CT's Thunder Cloud Formation, CA's Piston Punches and even GD's boatsword attacks AND COUNTER-ATTACK - with it's fast moving tail and knock ALL THREE on the their asses... Eureka landed 3 TIMES as many hits with his NORMAL punches, and rattled Otachi to the point it COULDNT counter-attack with its tail once.

      So yeah. Hitting Power, Combat Speed and Lifting Strength are easily above the other three using Otachi as the reference. If Otachi had even counter-attacked ONCE against Striker Eureka, then yes, I would have doubt. But Eureka steam rolled Otachi when it came to base stats and hence the other 3 jaegers as well. 

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    • im letting reaper handle this one, ive already dealt with basilisk tonight

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      im letting reaper handle this one, ive already dealt with basilisk tonight

      Sure if you want.

      Im not even using the Jeager blueprint/stat cards.

      Feats in the movie itself show Striker Eureka better than the others in POWER and SPEED at least.

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    • Ok, well, first off, we already have a thread for this, but before you go there I'd recommend a short detour through Reaper's Blog 4 Thinkin' first.

      I could easily see Striker Eureka being a more deadly Jaeger than Cherno Alpha or Crimson Typhoon. However, it's worth noting that Otachi was designed seemingly for the explicit purpose of fighting Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon. As I've mentioned before, Otachi was acting as live bait to draw in Striker Eureka for Leatherback's EMP. And unlike in the fight against Gipsy Danger, there was nowhere for Otachi to run away to and launch an ambush from. All of these factors should be taken into consideration if one is to make an argument about these events.

      And this is why more people should read Reaper's Blog 4 Thinkin'.

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      Ok, well, first off, we already have a thread for this, but before you go there I'd recommend a short detour through Reaper's Blog 4 Thinkin' first.

      I could easily see Striker Eureka being a more deadly Jaeger than Cherno Alpha or Crimson Typhoon. However, it's worth noting that Otachi was designed seemingly for the explicit purpose of fighting Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon. As I've mentioned before, Otachi was acting as live bait to draw in Striker Eureka for Leatherback's EMP. And unlike in the fight against Gipsy Danger, there was nowhere for Otachi to run away to and launch an ambush from. All of these factors should be taken into consideration if one is to make an argument about these events.

      And this is why more people should read Reaper's Blog 4 Thinkin'.

      I've gone over your blog and Im not talking about an all out battle between ES and GD.

      Im talking about base stats here, in particular with the fights against Otachi as reference. From watching those fights in the movie, its clear to me when it comes to base stats:

      1. Combat Speed

      2. Striking Strength / Power

      3. Lifting Strength

      Eureka Striker is superior to the other 3 Jaegers shown fighting. Sure you can go into all the different features / weapons each Jaeger has, but Im pretty sure when it comes to the basics, and something all Jaegers should be able to do as a minimum i.e. Hit Kaiju with their fists (not all Jagers are going to have blades), grab/hold/wrestle Kaiju (not all Jaegers are going to have range) ES is better than what the others have shown.

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    • First off, neither was I. I specified in the blog post that it was about the ability to kill Kaiju.

      Secondly, that is not what you said here:

      60.241.119.197 wrote:


      In that quick skirmish Striker Eureka showed it was easily superior to Crimson Typhoon, Cherno Alpha and Gipsy Danger. 


      If that wasn't what you meant (and you were just referring to physical dominance), then congratulations for stating the obvious. Of course Striker Eureka can dominate Otachi physically. It can do that to anything whose name doesn't start with "Slatter". But physical dominance alone doesn't tell you how a hypothetical fight would go. If it did, almost every fight in the movie would have turned out differently.

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    • But just to discuss a thing on your blog that relates to this discusion here, you say when it comes to Brass Knuckles vs Elbow Rocket that it would be a tie.

      Well against Otachi, ES's Brass Knuckles which are his standard/normal punches really (since there is no extra energy to use them) is quite a bit more powerful than GD's normal punches. ES was able to land 9-10 of his Punches WITHOUT Otachi being able to Counter-attack ONCE. 

      GD's normal punches were ignored after 2 or 3 by Otachi - when she would then manhandle GD into a couple of buildings. Sure GD's Elbow Rocket is stronger than his normal punch, but it requires charge up time and EXTRA enegry consumption. I dont even think its stronger than ES's Brass Knuckle / NORMAL punches. 

      So having 2 powerful punches with required wind-up time vs. ES's Combo Punches with equal or near-equal power and no charge-up time...yeah the advantage goes to ES in my opinion. 

      Otachi was struggling against ES's NORMAL punches more than GD's normal punches or even his SHIP SWORD. So yeah that's why ES punching power clearly above GD to me. 

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:

      ...could we please stop with the assumption that being a later generation Jaeger automatically makes one superior? Cherno Alpha's statline was superior to Gipsy Danger's and almost equal to Crimson Typhoon's, for crying out loud (of course, Gipsy Danger's real power is in its superior armament, but Crimson Typhoon can't say the same). Being a later generation implies better technology, but that does not automatically mean superiority....

      A Jaeger may have great stats, it may have the most advanced armor or weapons, but when it comes down to it, a Jaeger is only as strong as it's pilots.

      On a side note: Can people please stop bringing up how Striker killed me? It's a very sensitive subject.

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    • Hey Mutavore I heard you got taken down by the wall is this true? :D

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      NO

      <- click image to see gif :)

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    • Oh Mutavore I'm sorry I know you didn't get taken down by the wall, but is it true that you got taken down by one single bullet?

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      im letting reaper handle this one, ive already dealt with basilisk tonight

      D:

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    • that was right after ur concrete over interdimensional portal idea, at 3am, so i was messing with ya ^^

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    • In regards to this quote:


      "A Jaeger may have great stats, it may have the most advanced armor or weapons, but when it comes down to it, a Jaeger is only as strong as it's pilots."


      I agree with this, and I think this helps solidify Striker as the strongest. It has the single highest kill count of any Jaeger. Not to mention, it's shown itself on screen as being a beast-taking on C4's with relative ease (only being stopped by an EMP), fighting the one and only C5 and holding its own...I don't see any other Jaeger (except perhaps GD) doing that.

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    • Lol muty did u get 2 jaegers destroyed AND the wall wow 

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    • Mutavore did not destroy two Jaegers. This was confirmed by Travis Beacham as non-canon.

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      Mutavore did not destroy two Jaegers. This was confirmed by Travis Beacham as non-canon.
      E77

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    • Hey, every time someone says "Mutavore's stats suck, therefore he sucks", I'm the one who stands up and says "Yeah, no. He's a category 4. He eats weaker Jaegers for breakfast (or would, if he met one). Having a bad statline just means he had something else going for him that we never got to see".

      You should be nicer to your defenders.

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      Hey, every time someone says "Mutavore's stats suck, therefore he sucks", I'm the one who stands up and says "Yeah, no. He's a category 4. He eats weaker Jaegers for breakfast (or would, if he met one). Having a bad statline just means he had something else going for him that we never got to see".

      You should be nicer to your defenders.

      I sorry :(

      and my comment was more directed at Travis and not you

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    • Think of it this way: just because you didn't have the opportunity to destroy two Jaegers doesn't mean you couldn't. Big difference.

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    • Mutavore was one of my favorite kaiju actually (design wise). I thought he was really unusual compared to the other kaiju, especially his face. May I ask, where are his eyes? Those glowing dots under his jaw?

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    • i remember the first time when i saw muta's concept. i thought to my self "oh my god, this was made by wayne douglas barlow" (he made the book, 'expidtion' (the one with the aliens) it turns out i was right, he helped design kaiju for pacrim

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    • Reviews and discussions tell me that the pilots define the jaeger, each jaeger fits the pilots combat style. Eg Mako Mori likes swords (I think) so GD has swords. So it's really the physical and mental strenght of the PILOTS that matters not the jaegers.

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    • This is just a theory.

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    • NEW INFO FROM NOVELIZATION: apparantly the missles bore into a kaiju, then explode inside of it

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    • mutavore no mató a dos jaegers en sidney destruyó el muro facilmente y la pelea de striker contra mutavore solo duró 30 segundos

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    • Enough with the spanish.

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    • bueno comentare en ingles

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    • Not all of us can speak s panish.

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    • People seem to have forgotten the fact that SE sliced through Slatterns throat and nearly took off both of his arms, despite Slattern being 3 times larger than SE. Slatterns a category 5, Onibaba is a category 2. What the hell's a category 2 going to do, scratch the paint on SEs armour?

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    • 5 seconds. Done. striker just brass knuckle onibaba's face. end of story.

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    • I would say 4 seconds.1.SE lifts Oni 2.SE activates his blades 3. SE stabs Oni in the neck 4.SE slices Oni's head of.Battle ended.Simple as that.

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    • NEW INFO FROM NOVELIZATION: apparantly the missiles bore into a kaiju,then blow up inside of it.

      The novel isn't canon.We all saw that the missiles exploded the second they touch Mutavore.Also, according to Travis Beacham,Mutavore didn't destroy 2 jaegers before it breached the wall.

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    • Th enovel is canon until proven otherwise. Therefore, striker had drill missles. And it could have bored in quickly.

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    • Wow, reading all of these comments through... I kinda forgot what the thread was about XD

      Here is the answer that will cure everybody's heart break and concern about this question

      Onibaba is dead, Striker is dead.............. life goes on! Neither of them will ever fight eachother, EVER! 

      Unless....

      We reverse the time so Striker Eureka was still alive, and then when he's still alive, he goes back in time in a machine manufactured by Herman to Tokyo, back in the day when Onibaba attacks. First, Striker kicks Coyote Tango's ass so he dies, then he kills Onibaba in two seconds. 

      Man, that sounds like one hell of a sequel, eh?? :D

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    • Oh yeah totally, more like a prequel...

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    • No. That would be horrible.

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    • I was being sarcastic, the idea is horrible, yes.

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    • I was responding to the first guy.

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    • Sorry, I was only trying to be funny :( :(

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    • it would take striker about an hour 

      1 minute of actually fighting onibaba and 59 minutes of gloating about how easy that was

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    • A later generation does not mean more power. Gipsy killed a barely hurt Slattern while Eureka could not do anything of consequence to Slattern.

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    • "Barely hurt"

      So, taking a nuke to the face, arms barely hanging on by a thread, neck slashed, bleeding from practically everywhere, and countless internal injuries such as bone fractures and organ ruptures (among torn muscles, etc, that we'd never know about explicitly and wouldnt really hinder the next five minutes of life) are "Barely hurt".

      Please don't be my doctor :) 


      (I'm sorry for letting that get away on me but it was too big a thing not to post about XD)

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      "Barely hurt"

      So, taking a nuke to the face, arms barely hanging on by a thread, neck slashed, bleeding from practically everywhere, and countless internal injuries such as bone fractures and organ ruptures (among torn muscles, etc, that we'd never know about explicitly and wouldnt really hinder the next five minutes of life) are "Barely hurt".

      Please don't be my doctor :) 

      (I'm sorry for letting that get away on me but it was too big a thing not to post about XD)

      Yeah, actually that was right of you.  As for the doctor thing, my planned career path is not doctor, but palentologist.  So, you don't have to worry about me being in your local clinic. :)

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    • Me: *runs screaming into local A&E with 99% of body covered in horrendous injuries*

      DuncantheDoctor: *looks up* Yes?

      Me: I'M DYING HERE!! *flails arms around madly and one of them falls off because of injuries*

      DuncantheDoctor: *raises eyebrow* Eh, it'll be fine in the morning. *goes back to reading the paper*

      Me: *gets mad and hits Duncan with severed arm*

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      Me: *runs screaming into local A&E with 99% of body covered in horrendous injuries*

      DuncantheDoctor: *looks up* Yes?

      Me: I'M DYING HERE!! *flails arms around madly and one of them falls off because of injuries*

      DuncantheDoctor: *raises eyebrow* Eh, it'll be fine in the morning. *goes back to reading the paper*

      Me: *gets mad and hits Duncan with severed arm*

      That thought grosses me out, and makes me glad that I have decided not to become a medical doctor.  (Shudders)

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    • Gotta admit though, based on your diagnosis of Slattern's injuries... 

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    • Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      "Barely hurt"

      So, taking a nuke to the face, arms barely hanging on by a thread, neck slashed, bleeding from practically everywhere, and countless internal injuries such as bone fractures and organ ruptures (among torn muscles, etc, that we'd never know about explicitly and wouldnt really hinder the next five minutes of life) are "Barely hurt".

      Please don't be my doctor :) 


      (I'm sorry for letting that get away on me but it was too big a thing not to post about XD)

      Slattern's arm wounds were serious (but not completely crippling; he was still moving them) before the nuke. Afterwards, those arms were useless. However, the other wounds from the nuke were not deep. They were all seemingly cosmetic flesh wounds. There was nothing to indicate deeper trauma.

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    • 60.241.119.197 wrote:
      Btonkin7 wrote:
      briefly more successful? yes

      difinitively showed superiority? no

      Why not?

      Crimson Typhoon landed his Thunder Cloud Formation but Otachi took it and crushed his buzzsaws. CT had to suplex Otachi (with the help of gravity) into Cherno Alpha to give him time to recover.

      Cherno Alpha landed a headlock, and then 3 piston punches but Otachi took it, recovered and counter attacked with tail swipe before CA could follow threw.

      Striker Eureka fought Otachi for equal or longer than those two, landed 9-10 punches which Otachi could not counter attack in between and uppercut Otachi's whole body out of the water with one punch. Striker than dead lifted Otachi's whole weight and tossed it away. 

      Considering Otachi was able to take CT's Thunder Cloud Formation, CA's Piston Punches and even GD's boatsword attacks AND COUNTER-ATTACK - with it's fast moving tail and knock ALL THREE on the their asses... Eureka landed 3 TIMES as many hits with his NORMAL punches, and rattled Otachi to the point it COULDNT counter-attack with its tail once.

      So yeah. Hitting Power, Combat Speed and Lifting Strength are easily above the other three using Otachi as the reference. If Otachi had even counter-attacked ONCE against Striker Eureka, then yes, I would have doubt. But Eureka steam rolled Otachi when it came to base stats and hence the other 3 jaegers as well. 

      That´s probably because of the fact that Otachi was distracting Eureka so that Leatherback could get a shot at him (?) And it´s shown immediately afterwards that Gipsy Danger could take constant punishment and still beat the shit out of the kaiju. The removal of one of its arms, (and pilot) stopped Gipsy from destroying Knifehead. This jaeger took on and killed the (fresh into the battle and incredibly strong) Leatherback with just a multitude of large blots of scratched paint. It bifurcated two kaiju with just one swipe (each) and it killed the cat V Slattern, who survived a point-blank million-megaton explosion. But considering what a fight Striker put up with Slattern, I agree on most of what you said.

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    • thanks to all for continuing to quote me from ages ago.lol

      part of gipsys advantage during the double event was the upgrades it received since the knifehead encounter all the other jaegers had been in double digit encounters with presumably the same amount of firepower and techniques, combined with our outside knowledge that the kaijus masters were intelligent and adapting their creations to the jaegers strengths and weaknesses

      hence otachi knew where the gaps between the blades and hands of crimson were along with when to time the grab, chernos severe lack of speed and now apparent armor vulnerability to kaiju acid, and even tho they still didn't have a direct answer to strikers combat abilities, they developed indirect methods to negate it (emp based on whatever power source digital refers to)...as for gipsy, they would have assumed that it was out of commission after knifehead and given that the double even was its first action post restoration, its improvements and add ons would've been unknown and unplanned for

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    • Btonkin? I haven't seen you in forever!

      Where have you been?!

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    • had someone disagreeing with me from back when that decided to send threats instead so I mia-ed for a while, otherwise been good

      how bout u reaper?

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    • Oh, you know, taxing. The usual.

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    • ok...why was my last post deleted?

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    • Don't be askin' me. I ain't no mod, foo'!

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      thanks to all for continuing to quote me from ages ago.lol

      part of gipsys advantage during the double event was the upgrades it received since the knifehead encounter all the other jaegers had been in double digit encounters with presumably the same amount of firepower and techniques, combined with our outside knowledge that the kaijus masters were intelligent and adapting their creations to the jaegers strengths and weaknesses

      hence otachi knew where the gaps between the blades and hands of crimson were along with when to time the grab, chernos severe lack of speed and now apparent armor vulnerability to kaiju acid, and even tho they still didn't have a direct answer to strikers combat abilities, they developed indirect methods to negate it (emp based on whatever power source digital refers to)...as for gipsy, they would have assumed that it was out of commission after knifehead and given that the double even was its first action post restoration, its improvements and add ons would've been unknown and unplanned for

      Gipsy Danger was improved, but I mean the chain sword was ONE improvement, I think Tendo mentioned a new efficent core being installed. But all in all, I think Gipsy might have light damage WITHOUT its improvements. It was only partially notable (The coolant spray was only a smart move). I know for a fact that Otachi was smart enough to figure out Crimson Typhoon´s attack pattern quite quickly, and also to keep it´s tail claw hidden until it had its chance of beheading the Jaeger. It can also switch tactics really fast (He doesn´t care how strong anything is, that acid has a pH of about negative 3, basically meaning it´ll melt throigh anything as if it were ice cubes dropped in barbeques.) it also made a reasonable distraction for Striker up to the point Leatherback used EMP. They don´t care what they are facing, becuase they eventually rip it to shreds. otachi was taken by surprise with that chain sword. Infact, the Drift Newt had with a kaiju brain may be the main reason that they went to Hong Kong in the first place.

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    • 200.86.94.249 wrote:
      Btonkin7 wrote:
      thanks to all for continuing to quote me from ages ago.lol

      part of gipsys advantage during the double event was the upgrades it received since the knifehead encounter all the other jaegers had been in double digit encounters with presumably the same amount of firepower and techniques, combined with our outside knowledge that the kaijus masters were intelligent and adapting their creations to the jaegers strengths and weaknesses

      hence otachi knew where the gaps between the blades and hands of crimson were along with when to time the grab, chernos severe lack of speed and now apparent armor vulnerability to kaiju acid, and even tho they still didn't have a direct answer to strikers combat abilities, they developed indirect methods to negate it (emp based on whatever power source digital refers to)...as for gipsy, they would have assumed that it was out of commission after knifehead and given that the double even was its first action post restoration, its improvements and add ons would've been unknown and unplanned for

      Gipsy Danger was improved, but I mean the chain sword was ONE improvement, I think Tendo mentioned a new efficent core being installed. But all in all, I think Gipsy might have light damage WITHOUT its improvements. It was only partially notable (The coolant spray was only a smart move). I know for a fact that Otachi was smart enough to figure out Crimson Typhoon´s attack pattern quite quickly, and also to keep it´s tail claw hidden until it had its chance of beheading the Jaeger. It can also switch tactics really fast (He doesn´t care how strong anything is, that acid has a pH of about negative 3, basically meaning it´ll melt throigh anything as if it were ice cubes dropped in barbeques.) it also made a reasonable distraction for Striker up to the point Leatherback used EMP. They don´t care what they are facing, becuase they eventually rip it to shreds. otachi was taken by surprise with that chain sword. Infact, the Drift Newt had with a kaiju brain may be the main reason that they went to Hong Kong in the first place.

      There are stronger acids that exist than a P.h of -3.  They might have been using the acid that has a p.h of -18.  That would cause some major damage.

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    • 0 is lowest ph, scale is 0-14 with 7 being absolute neutral

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    • Less than five seconds. Probably one or two as Striker's AKM's take about a second to fire and another to hit.

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      Basilisk Centauri wrote:
      "Barely hurt"

      So, taking a nuke to the face, arms barely hanging on by a thread, neck slashed, bleeding from practically everywhere, and countless internal injuries such as bone fractures and organ ruptures (among torn muscles, etc, that we'd never know about explicitly and wouldnt really hinder the next five minutes of life) are "Barely hurt".

      Please don't be my doctor :) 


      (I'm sorry for letting that get away on me but it was too big a thing not to post about XD)

      Slattern's arm wounds were serious (but not completely crippling; he was still moving them) before the nuke. Afterwards, those arms were useless. However, the other wounds from the nuke were not deep. They were all seemingly cosmetic flesh wounds. There was nothing to indicate deeper trauma.
      • unconvincing cough* radiation and nuclear fallout *unconvincing cough*
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    • How the hell do you get fall out when it is underwater? Also, the breach produces radiation, so the kaiju are probably at least partlly resistant to it

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    • not all radiation is made the same, not to mention id like the line that says the breach itself is radioactive...

      fallout would still occur, lets just say that blast wasn't scientifically accurate

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    • 1 minute of attacks (2 hits with blades to the neck, 1 punch to the exposed eyes, 1 barrage of missiles), 5 years of gloating and eating fried crab. Then takes down Mutavore, 1 day of gloating, Then never gloats again.

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    • 2 minutes, I think. Onibaba is a Cat 2, so considering Striker took out Mutavore ( who's a Cat 4 ) easily so I guess Onibaba would get p'woned by Striker especially if Pentacoast were in there since Pentacoast owned it single-handedly although in three hours but in a Mark-1 Jaeger ( Coyote Tango ).

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    • Why are you even bringing Striker Eureka up in Gipsy Danger's wiki page? If Gipsy reads this, he will definitely ulbow rocket you to death. And 2 minutes for Striker to take down Onibaba, 1 for Gipsy.

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    • It took Striker 21 seconds to kill Mutavore.

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    • We saw 21 seconds. That doesn't mean the fight only lasted 21 seconds.

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    • much like the onibaba fight

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      We saw 21 seconds. That doesn't mean the fight only lasted 21 seconds.

      We saw Striker charging at Mutavore. Then again they may have cut off parts where Mutavore hit Striker.


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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      much like the onibaba fight

      The Onibaba fight actually took several hours, according to Travis Beacham (Mako's memory is a little off).

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    • Reaper with no name wrote:
      Btonkin7 wrote:
      much like the onibaba fight
      The Onibaba fight actually took several hours, according to Travis Beacham (Mako's memory is a little off).

      Three according to Stacker.

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    • three hours after his copilot passed out

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      three hours after his copilot passed out

      Right, Tasmin passed out from a seizure so the fight could have lasted four hours or three hours and an unknown amount of minutes.

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    • Btonkin7 wrote:
      0 is lowest ph, scale is 0-14 with 7 being absolute neutral


      Go search up carborane, an acid created in 2005 by New Zealandic scientists.  That has the pH of -18.  Seems impossable, but it is true.

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    • And in addition, Fluoroantimonic acid has –28 H0 (the 0 is a subscript), and is has the second highest acid rating, carborane being more powerful, both being 2 of the few solvents that can dissolve carbon nanotubes.

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    • Fast, if he kills Oni like Mutavore.

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    • i like the bit when stacker says "striker eureka , fastest jaeger in the world"


      and he wasn't kidding considering mutavore getting rabid punched to hell

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    • Onibaba liked to play hit and run, so it could take some time, but it's largely a matter of 'until Striker gets it's mits on Onibaba.'

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    • Big review coming up....

      Striker overpowered Mutavore in 13 seconds WITHOUT getting a scratch...I have evidence for this as if you check one of the deleted scenes, Chuck says some gears were damaged while Herc replies that Striker Eureka is  a very complex machine and can get damage EVEN without a scratch...

      Otachi, meanwhile, was playing bait in the Hong Kong Incident while Leatherback had a snooze. From what I know, if Crimson had continued her saw blade attacks for another minute till Otachi went of balance, she would have used her Plasmacaster to kill Otachi.Otachi then took on Cherno's immense power and weight and STILL had the energy and inertia to use her tail to knock him off balance.

      When Striker fights Otachi, he overpowers her in about a minute or so, as Leatherback took his time in destroying Cherno. First, the power move; second, the upper cut; third, the pick-up and throw. Otachi was easily overpowered by Striker.

      Gipsy, on the other hand, battled a weakened Otachi. Whatever you say, you have to admit that Otachi would be in pain and dazed due to Striker's attack even after all that time. Gipsy uses a ship, mind you, a ship, which has lots more dmamge than the Brass Knuckles. Then, Gipsy can't even destroy Otachi in a fair fight. She sneakily cuts Otachi into two parts.

      Onibaba was taken out by Coyote Tango, a Mark-1, with only one active pilot (Tamsin Sevier was sleeping on the job). Now, WHY does everyone think Striker doesn't have a range weapon ??? AKM Chest Launcher is a range weapon. Striker just needs to aim them from a distance of 100-200 metres and the battle is finished. Save those punches for later. The End. Get another Kaiju kill in 10 seconds. RIP Onibaba.

      Make any sense ? I don't think so...LOL

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    • how do you know there wasn't 20+ minutes of fighting with mutavore? And from what we've seen, the akm takes longe enough to prepare that onibab could bull rush striker and knock the crap out of them.

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    • Onibaba can't even bull rush a 7 year old girl (IS MAKO SEVEN ?), how will he bull rush a Jaeger ? Anyway, if you concentrate at the legs of the Kaiju and Jaeger while Mako is crying, you'll see that Onibaba rushed in, and was puched back by Tango.If he can't bull rush a girl or a Mark-1, (half crippled) how will he bull rush a Mark-5 ?

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    • have you ever tried charging an ant? its hard. slamming into a partially undefended thing at your size is easier.

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    • Well...did he successfully bull rush Tango ?

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    • no, but tango had mortars it doesn't have to stand still and pose to use. the missiles would leave striker open to damage, and if oniwasclose snough, it could damage something.

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    • Damage something ? DAMAGE SOMETHING ??? STRIKER EUREKA HAD HALF ITS SYSTEMS KNOCKED OUT BY SLATTERN AND STILL DEFEATED HIM (technically, yes). Even if Oni was able to damage SOMETHING, the sting blades are available. It was posted in a blog on this wiki that Sting Blades, if not functioning properly, can be used AGAINST Striker by a CATEGORY-4. 


      Oh forget this talk. Forget the AKMs and the S-Blades. Just use the Brass Knuckles to beat the shit out of Oni

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    • Anyway Striker used the AKMs to kill Cat 4s...Oni is a Cat 2...Striker just needs to give him a few uppercuts to send him reeling and then use the AKM's later. The End

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    • Reaper with no name wrote: Striker didn't "nearly kill Slattern" with the bomb. The bomb failed to even remove those half-severed arms. The damage to the rest of the body appeared to be cosmetic in nature.

      Now, given how the battle was going, Striker might well have killed Slattern had he not called for assistance, but that's beside the point.


      Also, could we please stop with the assumption that being a later generation Jaeger automatically makes one superior? Cherno Alpha's statline was superior to Gipsy Danger's and almost equal to Crimson Typhoon's, for crying out loud (of course, Gipsy Danger's real power is in its superior armament, but Crimson Typhoon can't say the same). Being a later generation implies better technology, but that does not automatically mean superiority.

      And there is no connection between Jaeger generations and Kaiju categories. A category IV Kaiju is not necessarily more powerful than a mk II Jaeger, for example.


      I be thinkin' dat Slattern's arms be more severed than just half brah. Now, out of ... I don't know what it is mode. Anyways, slattern's arms seemed to be severed up to the collar bones. I promise never to do the thing I did with the first sentence again.

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    • Always fun to reply to the ancient comments.

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    • You can edit your posts, you know. It's under the "more" button that appears when you mouseover the bottom of your post.

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    • So....I guess Striker won the arguement/battle with Oni since nobody has come out to contest ?(YOU HAVE BEEN LURED)

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    • Reaper with no name wrote: You can edit your posts, you know. It's under the "more" button that appears when you mouseover the bottom of your post.


      Okay.

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    • Marine Crusader wrote: Damage something ? DAMAGE SOMETHING ??? STRIKER EUREKA HAD HALF ITS SYSTEMS KNOCKED OUT BY SLATTERN AND STILL DEFEATED HIM (technically, yes). Even if Oni was able to damage SOMETHING, the sting blades are available. It was posted in a blog on this wiki that Sting Blades, if not functioning properly, can be used AGAINST Striker by a CATEGORY-4. 

      Oh forget this talk. Forget the AKMs and the S-Blades. Just use the Brass Knuckles to beat the shit out of Oni

      No, Striker didn't defeat Slattern. He lost. If Slattern hadn't called in Scunner for backup, then perhaps Striker might have defeated him. However, since he did, Striker nuked itself and didn't even kill Slattern. In what stretch of the imagination is that a win?

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    • I think it'd take awhile for Striker to kill Onibaba.


      See, while Striker *is* the stronger without a doubt, Onibaba used evasion and hit and run, hiding among buildings and retreating a lot. So the question is really one of how long until Striker could get his hands on it?

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    • Exactly....and Oni wasn't too agile either(the idiot bumped into seven buildings trying to get Mako)

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    • That's actually what onibaba is designed to do, he's covered with long spikes to smash through buildings; although, he still didn't seem agile anyways, he just kinda wrestled with coyote tango(that's it's name, right?).

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    • I imagine Onibaba can move laterally a lot better than most, moving in and out of the buildings. Travis described it as a several hour cat and mouse game (the flashback didn't include the whole battle).

      And yes, Coyote Tango.

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    • Many critics say that the EMP trick was a huge error...as the helis that dropped Gipsy in battle should have been deactivated...but they NEVER said anything about Mako's flashback....

      Stacker supposedly battled for THREE HOURS !!! While in the movie, it showed the scene for 3 seconds of battle and 30 seconds of ruined landscape...

      And it also shows that Mako stayed with her head crouched all that while....

      I dunno about you guys, but I get the feeling that any 12-year old would have run away, or atleast NOT stay in the same place crouching for three hours (Mako would have gotten cramps...LOL)

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    • When there was a giant monster in front of your one-exit alley, heck yea, you hide! You hide until the noise stops.

      Keep in mind what we saw is her memories- the beginning, some noise, the end... memories aren't recordings, the memorable important bits stay, and the time in between of hiding gets left out.

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    • So....ur saying she stayed under that ruined trashcan for 3 hours ??? Onibaba supposedly fought ACROSS the city using Hit and Run tactics...he would have gone atleast a kilometre far...

      And a 12 year old should have enough sense to run when the noise is far away...

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    • <sigh> It was stated by Travis Beachman that the battle lasted that long.

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    • Marine Crusader wrote:
      So....ur saying she stayed under that ruined trashcan for 3 hours ??? Onibaba supposedly fought ACROSS the city using Hit and Run tactics...he would have gone atleast a kilometre far...

      And a 12 year old should have enough sense to run when the noise is far away...


      Hit and run. They'd go and come back and such. The fight ended near her.


      One of the problems is, jaeger/kaiju can cover the distance a 12 year old can travel in, say, 10 minutes, in a handful of seconds.

      Plus there's debris and such all making obstacles... she may have been cut off.

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    • ZeroSD wrote:

      Plus there's debris and such all making obstacles... she may have been cut off.


      Which is what we saw in the movie.
      
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    • Don't know what happened there.

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    • Striker Would have Cut Onibaba's Body with his sword or killing it like Mutavore

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    • GipsyDangerAnimations wrote:
      Striker Would have Cut Onibaba's Body with his sword or killing it like Mutavore


      I think the shell would make cutting hard. Missiles seem like the logical finisher.

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    • I say Striker would have finished Onibaba off in about 10 minutes.

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    • i'd give my bet in 10 minutes too due to onibaba's super defensive body structure and the shell

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